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    Where'd you get this from, hopefully?? This means the council already voted on it??

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    I don't see it on there, or the city concil main site for that matter...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hopefully09 View Post
    §15-111.2 Firefighter, high school credit. In addition to any other relevant employment qualifications established pursuant to any law, rule, or regulation, any candidate for firefighter who possesses a high school diploma or a General Educational Development or GED credential from a school or testing center located within the city of New York, whether such school or testing center is public or private, shall be eligible for additional credits that equate to eight percent of the total possible points of the open competitive firefighter examination, following the successful completion of such examination; provided, however, that any candidate who possesses a GED credential must have attended high school, whether public or private, at some point within the city of New York prior to obtaining such GED credential in order to be eligible for such additional credits. Such credits shall be in addition to any other credits or preferences for which a candidate may already be eligible.
    §2. If any section, subsection, sentence, clause, phrase, or other portion of this local law is for any reason declared unconstitutional or invalid, in whole or in part, by any court of competent jurisdiction, such portion shall be deemed severable, and such unconstitutionality or invalidity shall not affect the validity of the remaining portions of this local law, which remaining portions shall continue in full force and effect.
    §3. This local law shall take effect immediately.


    Is this going to affect 6019 now? They'd have to re investigate everyone and adjust list numbers
    I highly doubt it would affect 6019 its an already established list. I believe it would have had to be included in our notice of examination, before we took the test. This is not a done deal its going to come to a vote at the next general city council meeting i believe, only a few of the council members, mostly minority, have publicy supported this so far. So this would most likely apply to the next test. This also goes with the rumors of emt certifications for new probies.

    http://www.thechief-leader.com/news/...Fire_Test.html
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    How could a guy who couldn't even graduate high school be eligible for eight extra points!!!!

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    All I want to hear in the next 2 months is when the next class will be. This is getting ridiculous now as I try and go on with my life but still wonder if I will ever get on.. My list number is #11xx but I would just like to be assured that I will be getting called at all for the job. I would like to believe that the Commissioner,, whoever it will be,,, will either 1. Extend the Life of the List. or 2.Reach at least up to list #2,500... If not they will have wasted TONS of tax paying dollars on this test and other tests (i.e. Medicals, cpats, psychs) to get only 220 hired individuals.

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    Hey fellas.
    I hope everyone's staying sane through all this madness.
    Sitting in the 1300's, I thought my dream of becoming a part of FDNY wasn't so distant.
    I'd never thought I'd be in this limbo for so long.

    Well, I'm just hoping someone could answer my question.

    I'm thinking of going to Asia to teach English for a year.
    I figure I could experience/travel a foreign country while earning some income.
    The question is, though, would working abroad for a year void my residency points?
    If it does affect my residency, I would have to find something more semi-permanent here in NYC.
    Any and all replies are much appreciated!
    6019- was sitting at 13xx
    2000- now sitting at 18xx

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    I'm going to go out on a limb here. Since Patterson signed Tier 5 and many believe the Police and Fire entry level unions will hammer out an agreement similar to the other police and fire in the state, your wait should be shortened up. I still believe the city didn't want to hire under the tier 3 provisions for so few.

    Best of luck in 2010.

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    Just confirming that the CPAT letters did go out. The test dates start the first week in January. The exam is titled: "round 2 make-ups". Best of luck to everyone taking them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Queens6019 View Post
    I highly doubt it would affect 6019 its an already established list. I believe it would have had to be included in our notice of examination, before we took the test. This is not a done deal its going to come to a vote at the next general city council meeting i believe, only a few of the council members, mostly minority, have publicy supported this so far. So this would most likely apply to the next test. This also goes with the rumors of emt certifications for new probies.

    http://www.thechief-leader.com/news/...Fire_Test.html
    Don't be sure...the 93 exam had residency credits applied after the list numbers were first established...however that was before they hired one man from the list...so that is a variable as well.

    FTM-PTB

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    8points for graduating from high school. 3 more than you get for serving your country.....makes tons of sense to me, thats insane

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    can that be appealed or is it set in stone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by myles8683 View Post
    can that be appealed or is it set in stone?
    It hasn't been voted on yet I'm pretty sure. What you read up above is the proposed legislation I believe....

    Steven Cassidy sums it up nicely....


    Submitted Testimony in Opposition to Intro 1093-A

    By Stephen J. Cassidy, President


    NYC Council Committee – Committee on Civil Service and Labor
    Michael Nelson, Acting Chairperson
    December 14th, 2009

    Good afternoon Chairman Nelson, Council Member Comrie and members of the
    committee. I apologize that I can not be there to speak before you in person today. My
    name is Stephen Cassidy and I represent more than 9000 Firefighters and Fire Marshals
    here in New York City. The citizens of New York City deserve the very best firefighters
    that can be hired. We have testified on this subject before and have offered many
    suggestions on how best to accomplish this goal. Most of them have been ignored by this
    Administration. As the President of the UFA, I have done something no other UFA
    official has done before, by speaking at High Schools with a predominantly minority population about becoming a member of New York’s Bravest. In addition we have
    advocated recruiting directly from the military and high school athletic teams.
    We must oppose the granting of additional credit for an applicant that attends a
    NYC High School or obtains a GED certificate from a NYC institution on numerous
    grounds. We already have a five point city residency credit in place. Better verification
    of eligibility for this credit would be more prudent than granting a credit for anyone that
    attends a NYC High School.
    There are many private High Schools in NYC that a large percentage of the
    student population comes from outside of the five boroughs. Some of those schools are
    as high as 50%. This credit would benefit applicants that do not live in NYC but were
    fortunate enough to attend a High School in NYC. In addition there are other schools
    that are outside of NYC that NYC residents attend. These students would be at a
    disadvantage for attending a school outside NYC even though they live within the five
    boroughs. While Intro 1093-a may be well intentioned to increase diversity in the
    FDNY, it could not be applied fairly. There are other ways to accomplish these goals and
    as we have testified in the past, the UFA would be in full support of them.
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    I take offense to the fact that someone who was shot at in Iraq/Afghanistan/etc. is given fewer points than someone who may have barely passed their high school and may not have even lived in NYC but attended a NYC school.

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    Hurricane Katrina crisis leader Phil Parr may be new FDNY boss
    BY Jonathan Lemire
    DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

    Thursday, December 17th 2009, 4:00 AM

    A federal disaster specialist who ordered the evacuation of New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina is in the running to be the new city Fire Commissioner, sources said.

    Phil Parr, a former FDNY chief whose son is a firefighter, was interviewed this week at City Hall, the Daily News has learned.

    An African-American, Parr may be part of the city's efforts to change the public image of the nearly all-white agency, the sources said. He would be only the third African-American to head the FDNY.

    The onetime battalion chief was tapped to head the department's 2002 recruitment effort. He retired from the FDNY after more than two decades and joined the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

    He was the lead FEMA agent on the ground in New Orleans immediately after the killer hurricane ravaged the Gulf Coast. He called for buses to take refugees out of the city after he found water lapping at the Superdome, where about 12,000 victims camped in squalor.

    Parr, 51, later testified in front of Congress on the agency's performance during the days after the August 2005 hurricane.

    He is now the incident management assist team leader for FEMA's New York-New Jersey region, according to the agency's Web site.

    City Hall would not comment on the search to replace Commissioner Nicholas Scoppetta, who is retiring. Parr also was up for the job in 2001, when Scoppetta was appointed.

    Among the other candidates are Chief of Department Salvatore Cassano and Mylan Denerstein, a top aide to Attorney General Andrew Cuomo.

    jlemire@nydailynews.com

    With Kate Lucadamo



    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/...#ixzz0ZwWRD6Dj

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    Keeping the ‘NY’ in FDNY with test credit
    by AnnMarie Costella, Chronicle Reporter
    12/17/2009
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    City Councilman Leroy Comrie, center, with Paul Washington, left, of the FDNY’s Vulcan Society, Councilman Ydanis Rodriguez, George Diaz of the FDNY’s Hispanic Society, Deborah Martinez of the Grand Council of Hispanic Societies in Public Ser
    City Councilman Leroy Comrie (D-St. Albans), other officials and members from several FDNY organizations are pushing for legislation that they believe will expand diversity in the Fire Department’s employment pool.
    The legislation would allow any candidate applying to become a New York City firefighter who has a high school diploma or GED from a city high school or testing center to receive an additional eight-point credit on the firefighter exam.


    “It gives any young person a goal that they can start preparing for while still in high school,” Comrie said. “It’s a great motivational tool for young people and a great promotional tool for the city.”
    The Department of Citywide Administrative Services, which administers the exam opposes the legislation.
    “We believe the bill as written would not pass legal muster, but we are willing to work with the council to create a proposal that can be upheld by the courts” said Mark Daly, communications director for DCAS. “The state constitution requires candidates be chosen by fitness and merit. Just graduating from a New York City high school is not enough.”

    DCAS already offers point credits for a number of other special circumstances. Veterans receive five points and disabled veterans get 10. New York City residents receive an additional five points. Parents of a NYC police officer or firefighter killed in the line of duty receive 10 points as do the siblings of police officers or firefighters who died on Sept. 11. But all are either allowed by the state constitution or state law unlike the new proposed credit.
    “We are concerned that if it is challenged in court it would be struck down and someone who thought they received enough points to qualify would realize they had not,” Daly explained.
    Comrie believes DCAS is being closed-minded because they want to be the only ones who have a say in how the exams are graded. “They are just being typical, bone-headed bureaucrats,” Comrie said.
    Minorities account for less than 11 percent of city firefighters — making it the least diverse Fire Department of any major U.S. city and less than 40 percent of eligible FDNY applicants are African American, according to Comrie.
    “This bill is a legitimate, practical and common sense solution to addressing diversity issues in the FDNY,” he said during a press conference with other officials at City Hall on Tuesday.
    There have been a number of court cases that have shown the FDNY exam indirectly discriminates against minorities. In July, the U.S. District Court ruled that the FDNY had violated the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and ruled in favor of plaintiffs charging the department with employing discriminatory hiring practices.
    City Councilman Tom White Jr. (D-South Ozone Park), who is co-sponsoring the bill, believes it will serve to strengthen the community and improve the economy.
    “When a person attends a New York City school, they are exposed to diversity and other cultures and that’s a plus that they can bring to the job,” he said. “We lose a lot of manpower, observation, stability and safety in our communities when firefighters live outside the city.”
    Adjoa Gzifa, the chairwoman of Community Board 12 says she is leery of laws that mandate diversity and believes the proposed credit will have legal consequences.
    “If you take the test and you pass, you pass,” she said. It shouldn’t matter where you live or what your ethnic background is. They are just going to end up spending taxpayer money fighting lawsuits.”
    City Councilman Eric Ulrich (R- Ozone Park) also opposes the bill. “I see it as affirmative action rearing its head in the hiring process of the FDNY,” he said. “I don’t think it’s fair. If they want it to be all inclusive why don’t they have it apply to graduates of city Catholic schools and Yeshivas as well.”
    Ulrich also stated that the Fire Department does plenty of community outreach to try and acquire an ethnically mixed force.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Queens6019 View Post
    "We want firefighters to be representative of our neighborhoods and speak the languages of our neighborhoods," said Leroy Comrie (D-Queens). "That is not currently the case."
    911: 911, what's your emergency?
    Comrie: My house is on fire! My family is trapped on the top floor and can't get out! Help!
    911: Fire Departments on the way, sir.
    Comrie: Uh, will the firefighters be a reflection of the rich cultural diversity found in New York City or will they be a bunch of whiteboy rednecks?
    911: I'm unsure, sir, but there is a firehouse around the block from you and they will be there in less than a minute.
    Comrie: OK, but are they black is what I'm asking.
    911: Sir, I don't know. Does it matter? Your kids are trapped!
    Comrie: Of course it matters. This is a BLACK community!!! How can a bunch of whiteboys possibly provide fire protection to a black, Asian or Hispanic neighborhood!!?!?!
    911: Sir, they are all well-trained people who passed the course at probie school and will be there in 30 seconds. They are all the same.
    Comrie: Well, I'm sorry but unless they are a cross section of the dynamic diversity found in this city and an equal representation of all who live in it, even if people from certain groups opted not to pursue a career in the FDNY, I cannot allow my family to be rescued by them.
    911: Sir, you have to get out!! Get your family out!!
    Comrie: We will wait for a fire crew that has an understanding of the unique plight of the minority group and who will foster a mutually supportive environment of cultural understanding. And aren't white. I will also be filing a lawsuit against you if I find out you are white. Only minority dispatchers should be assigned to minority nighborhoods... my, it's getting warm in here!

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    I lol'd....

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    Hey fellas.
    I hope everyone's staying sane through all this madness.
    Sitting in the 1300's, I thought my dream of becoming a part of FDNY wasn't so distant.
    I'd never thought I'd be in this limbo for so long.

    Well, I'm just hoping someone could answer my question.

    I'm thinking of going to Asia to teach English for a year.
    I figure I could experience/travel a foreign country while earning some income.
    The question is, though, would working abroad for a year void my residency points?
    If it does affect my residency, I would have to find something more semi-permanent here in NYC.
    Any and all replies are much appreciated!
    If not, I'll have to call my investigator to find out (if he picks up that is. lol).

    And yea, I lol'd at Carryon's post too.
    I'm a minority too, but this whole race issue is just plain absurd.
    6019- was sitting at 13xx
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    Quote Originally Posted by My1Goal View Post
    Hey fellas.
    I hope everyone's staying sane through all this madness.
    Sitting in the 1300's, I thought my dream of becoming a part of FDNY wasn't so distant.
    I'd never thought I'd be in this limbo for so long.

    Well, I'm just hoping someone could answer my question.

    I'm thinking of going to Asia to teach English for a year.
    I figure I could experience/travel a foreign country while earning some income.
    The question is, though, would working abroad for a year void my residency points?
    If it does affect my residency, I would have to find something more semi-permanent here in NYC.
    Any and all replies are much appreciated!
    If not, I'll have to call my investigator to find out (if he picks up that is. lol).

    And yea, I lol'd at Carryon's post too.
    I'm a minority too, but this whole race issue is just plain absurd.
    dont know anything regaurding residency but my neighbors sister just got back from teaching in china for a year and said it was amazing....sorry i couldnt answer your question

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    Listen, I hope anyone out there who is, in the eyes of some wayward politicians, considered a minority didn't take offense to my post. It was meant to be a crack on some of this nonsense politically correct stuff going around, not on candidates or people who are interested in taking the job. I can tell you that if you pack the gear to do this job, black, white, asian, male, female you will be accepted into a firehouse in this city. City Hall wants to see numbers but all we care about is that you can get to the firefloor and beat up on the Red Devil. That simple. You'll get your chance, guys, hang in there.

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    Default Diversity has turned into reverse racism

    This diversity stuff has been BS...is BS...and always will be BS....Civil Service exams require only the most basic level of intelligence. There's no cultural side of the exam that detects a person's culture, creed, or race. I have taken police, corrections, and fire tests leading to me to 1 conclusion. You can do great on these exams if you can do simple mathematics, read a story, and pretty much figure out your right from left. There's no backdoor hires these days with the amount of government oversight so I have no idea why people are still trying to give certain groups an upper hand. Theres 1 motto that should be used and thats it.....BEST PERSON FOR THE JOB!!!!! Thats it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by My1Goal View Post
    Hey fellas.
    I hope everyone's staying sane through all this madness.
    Sitting in the 1300's, I thought my dream of becoming a part of FDNY wasn't so distant.
    I'd never thought I'd be in this limbo for so long.

    Well, I'm just hoping someone could answer my question.

    I'm thinking of going to Asia to teach English for a year.
    I figure I could experience/travel a foreign country while earning some income.
    The question is, though, would working abroad for a year void my residency points?
    If it does affect my residency, I would have to find something more semi-permanent here in NYC.
    Any and all replies are much appreciated!
    If not, I'll have to call my investigator to find out (if he picks up that is. lol).

    And yea, I lol'd at Carryon's post too.
    I'm a minority too, but this whole race issue is just plain absurd.
    If you go to China you won't lose your residency points, it clearly states on the exam what makes you eligible for the points, ex: proof your a resident of NYC from March 2007-2008. So if you got the points your good they can't be taken away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I3akdraf View Post
    If you go to China you won't lose your residency points, it clearly states on the exam what makes you eligible for the points, ex: proof your a resident of NYC from March 2007-2008. So if you got the points your good they can't be taken away.

    I3akdraf, thanks for the prompt reply.
    If that is in fact true, then going to a foreign country for a year has become even more appealing. Thanks again for the insight. If anyone has anything else to add, please do! =)
    6019- was sitting at 13xx
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    December 17, 2009, 12:23 pm
    City Hall Nears Decision on New Fire Commissioner
    By AL BAKER

    Left to right: Fire Department, Associated Press, G. Paul Burnett/The New York Times

    From left, possible candidates for fire commissioner: Mylan L. Denerstein, Phillip E. Parr and Salvatore Cassano.
    With two weeks to go before New Year’s Eve, the Bloomberg administration on Thursday found itself running out of days to name a replacement for the outgoing fire commissioner, Nicholas Scoppetta, who is retiring at the end of the year.

    So far, about a half-a-dozen people have been interviewed for the job at City Hall, and, in the absence of action, a few of their names have unofficially leaked out.

    Those include Mylan L. Denerstein, executive deputy attorney general for social justice in the office of the state attorney general, Andrew M. Cuomo, as well as Phillip E. Parr, a retired former department battalion chief who was later involved in the federal response to Hurricane Katrina.

    Another considered high in the running is the chief of department, Salvatore Cassano, the department’s highest uniformed officer, who is one year shy of reaching the mandatory retirement age for uniformed firefighters, officials said. (The position of commissioner, a civilian post, has no mandatory retirement age.)

    Signals from in and out the department were mixed on who would take over.

    One official said Ms. Denerstein was not considered likely. Another said it was “50-50” between her and Chief Cassano. All agreed an announcement would likely come soon, considering that the two weeks prior to Jan. 1 are packed with holidays and religious celebrations.

    “I think things are getting close,” said one official, who, like the others, requested anonymity because they were not authorized speak because the process was not complete.

    The Fire Department is at somewhat of a crossroads.

    A federal judge this year found that it had discriminated against black and Hispanic applicants in entrance examinations in 1999 and 2002, and the department is now hashing out how to diversity a force that is still overwhelmingly white. City officials say minority outreach efforts, and a new test introduced in 2007, are part of a long-term solution to correct past wrongs. But the lawsuit is far from settled.

    On a practical level, representatives of the unions that represent firefighters and chiefs have laced into a new firefighting dispatch system, saying it sometimes leads to firefighters receiving wrong or incomplete information on emergencies. The system, put in place in May, is know as the unified call-taking system, and city officials credit it with cutting response times to historic lows.

    But all sides agree it is a work in progress – and a fundamental change in the culture of the way 911 emergency calls by citizens are handled by operators and dispatchers.

    How the Bloomberg administration is weighing the city’s needs against the background and experience of the candidates is murky.

    “We will not comment on the process until an announcement is made,” said Jason Post, a mayoral spokesman, when asked about the topic.

    Ms. Denerstein, an African-American, who was previously the deputy commissioner for legal affairs at the Fire Department, had also served in the United States attorney’s office for the Southern District of New York, where she was deputy chief of the criminal division.

    Mr. Parr, who is also African-American, spoke at a 2005 hearing before the Senate Homeland Security committee of his experience in emergency management, saying that he joined the Federal Emergency Management Agency after leaving the Fire Department and was in New Orleans for the response to Katrina.

    “During my tenure with the F.D.N.Y., and particularly during my tenure as a chief officer, I served in many capacities including but not limited to: fire and emergency ground commander, operations, planning for Y2K scenarios, and as a deputy director in the New York City Office of Emergency Management,” he said in his testimony. “I have played an active role in countless disasters and crisis situations,” including the 9/11 attack at the World Trade Center, where he was on the scene prior to the towers’ collapse.

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    I know it's probably in previous posts but I can't find it anywhere, how much longer after you guys passed the CPAT were you scheduled for your medicals? Thank you for your time, it is greatly appreciated.

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