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    thats not true, PD is scheduled to delay their January class until april 2011 to save 3 months of salary and then put in a class in July as usual

    http://legistar.council.nyc.gov/View...F-3EA7CE13281D

    Revised Recruit Class Schedule. The Executive Budget proposes to delay the hiring of the
    Department's January 2011 to April of 2011 thus accruing $11.3 million or three months of budgeted
    salaries which the Department will use to meet its current reduction target.

    The projected classes are 1,142 in July 10, 700 in April 2011, 954 next July, and 648 Jan 2012. "The actual sizes of these hiring classes (if they occur at all), and any other
    potential classes after next Executive, will depend on attrition."
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    Just passing along the information an investigator who works for the city gave. Take it for what you will.

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    Paterson promises to finalize the budget by 6/28. The next couple of weeks will be very crucial to all of us. Let's keep the faith fellas...
    6019- was sitting at 13xx
    2000- now sitting at 18xx

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    June 16, 2010 3:20 PM No Comments .Bloomberg, Quinn To Albany: Revenue-Sharing Cuts Will Kill Us »
    By Celeste Katz

    Mayor Bloomberg and City Council Speaker Christine Quinn have sent a forceful letter to Gov. Paterson and the majority and minority leaders of both Legislative conferences, saying the city's being unfairly singled out for budget cuts and decrying the state's move to cut the city off from revenue-sharing funds.

    The letter, which I obtained, notes that:

    "The City’s Executive Budget relied on the Legislature’s commitment to restore $150 million of revenue-sharing funds - about half of the money you proposed cutting by zeroing out the City in your executive budget. Now that the Legislature’s commitment even to this partial restoration appears to be wavering, the City is facing the prospect of more headcount and service reductions in the FY ’11 budget.

    And over the long run, the State’s refusal to include New York City in its revenue-sharing plans would be the biggest blow to the City’s budget since the State repealed the Commuter Tax in 1999. New York City residents should not bear more than 95% of the total statewide revenue-sharing cut. All other cities, towns, and villages were cut only 1-5% each, while New York City was cut a full 100%."

    The letter stresses that the city is the state's economic engine, generating nearly half of New York's revenue.

    "The revenue-sharing cut is the largest cut to the City in the State budget proposals. It is responsible for two-thirds of the State cuts to our non-education funds. It will mean 50 fewer senior centers, the elimination of nurses at small schools, the closure of a homeless drop-in center, and the elimination of adult literacy programs - and it will even affect City agencies that do not receive State funds. And, by undermining our ability to deliver services that help attract private investment, it will hurt local job creation - and, with it, State tax revenues."



    Paterson 6-15-10

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    Default Class in the works

    Just heard from a friend of mine on the job that a chief told him a class is in sometime this year. Some good news to pass along.

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    Last I heard from 2 guys was most likely september, but the only person I bet who really knows is the mayor or his new deputy mayor, at this point with both budgets up in the air I doubt if the commissioner even knows concretely if a class will be green lighted in the next month to few months.

    Hiring firefighters/closing fire companies is constantly used as an attention getter to extract more money from albany/ get the city council to trim their fat.

    Remember last year, when the mayor said we cant hire 150 firefighters, 250 cops, 90 emts, 175 school safety agents bc of the senate circus last year. They have hired all of those positions or more since then, except for FF's.

    going to be a long 2 weeks

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    Quote Originally Posted by FairHiringFDNY View Post
    I've heard unless state budget is a complete massacre to NYC and not just tons of scare tactics that hiring will happen. I also heard that the best way to pass the time waiting for news is running. Haha. September-October is what
    I've heard and also that orders coming to bring instructors to the rock at that time. Order won't mention a class but no other reason for them to come back.
    What dept order did you read that in?

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    Wouldnt a 150 million dollar cut from the state be a financial massacre?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FairHiringFDNY View Post
    Heard it from an instructor. Said order should be out soon. They are bringing about half of the usual staff back Round sept-oct. He assumed that when the budget is finished the order will drop. They've been told to be ready to come back out there though by cheif of training.
    If they are supposedly bringing back only "half of the usual staff" at the Rock - does that mean that they are only going to have a small class and not the full 300 that I heard rumors about? Assuming that no companies are closed the upcoming budget, I can't see how 300 won't be going in sometime this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vekdoggs75 View Post
    Wouldnt a 150 million dollar cut from the state be a financial massacre?
    not in a multibillion dollar budget

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    Yeah the class that was supposed to go in last October was the same thing. DI's were informed to report and then they pulled the plug last second. The budget comment I made before isnt a reflection upon a billion $ budget. Its just that any money lost is a horrible sign with how financially tightass these political jackos are and how low they have the FD right now on their list

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    Rally to stop firehouse closings
    Date: Friday, June 18, 2010
    Time: 2:30pm - 4:00pm
    Location: E281/L147
    1210 Cortelyou rd., Brooklyn

    adding to my post the other day before the budget is out mayor is putting in a class of 1,000-1,200 NYPD recruits this summer, stated no teacher layoffs likely, worked out a deal to restore free student metrocards. Looks like the only ones being left in the dark are the fdny, senior centers, and libraries while budget negotiations are ongoing. Lets hope the city council comes through again this year.
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    65-2 #34 June 17, 2010
    1. UFA Executive Board Lobbies in Albany
    On Tuesday, June 15, the UFA Executive Board visited Albany and met with various elected officials in the State Senate and Assembly to discuss important NYC Firefighter issues, including pension legislation.

    5. Battalion Delegate Meeting
    In accordance with UFA Constitutional requirements, the Battalion Advisory Committee will be called in to meet in September to discuss the contract, even though we do not believe there will be any active negotiations with the City

    7. Mayor's Budget Reported
    As per the Mayor's May 6th budget announcement, 20 companies are still on the chopping block. Before firehouses are closed, the City Charter requires a 45-day notice to be given. The City has not yet made this announcement, and claims it is still waiting to see how much funding will be allocated from the yet to be resolved State budget.
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    8. City Council Budget Hearing & Press Conference at City Hall
    The Mayor has threatened to close at least 20 companies in the new fiscal year. The City Council conducted hearings on Friday, June 4th, regarding the FDNY Budget, where Commissioner Cassano testified (see testimony distributed to all Delegates present at the June 9th Union Meeting). Immediately after the hearing-on the steps of City Hall-Councilwoman Elizabeth Crowley, the Fire & Criminal Justice Chair, called a press conference in conjunction with the UFA and UFOA. The following elected officials expressed their objections to the planned firehouse closings at the press conference: Comptroller John Liu, Public Advocate Bill DiBlasio and Councilpersons Elizabeth Crowley, James Vacca, LeRoy Comrie, Robert Jackson, James Oddo, Gale Brewer, Daniel Halloran, Ydanis Rodriguez, Peter Vallone, Letitia James and Margaret Chin. The UFA would like to thank all off-duty members who joined the UFA Executive Board for attending the hearing and press conference. See attached media clips.
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    9. Fire Commissioner Cassano's Testimony before Fire & Criminal Justice Committee, June 4
    Read Commissioner Cassano's testimony, which was distributed to all Delegates at the June 9 Union Meeting, which demands significant givebacks from the UFA. Note the following: Battalions to close:NONE Divisions to close:NONE Staff Chief cuts:Â NONE Firefighter Cuts:20 Fire Companies, loss of 5th man, Fire Marshal reductions



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    10. Roster Staffing Agreement
    The City budget is demanding we give up the 5th man! Commissioner Cassano said in his testimony that "hopefully we will be able to come to an agreement with the UFA on our plan. However, if we cannot reach an accord with the UFA, arbitration will be necessary." The current roster staffing agreement expires in January 2011. We have already told the Department that the UFA will not consider any reduction in staffing in lieu of closings. This is an issue of firefighter and public safety. The UFA has conducted dozens of meetings with elected leaders from Washington, Albany, City Hall and throughout the five boroughs to discuss the importance of maintaining proper staffing in NYC!! See testimony distributed to all Delegates present at the June 9th Union Meeting

    12. Manning Reduction Imminent as per 1996 Roster Staffing Agreement
    Current annualized medical leave is approaching 7.5%. As per the 1996 Roster Staffing Agreement, the Fire Commissioner can reduce the number of 5-man engine companies from 60 to 11 if annualized medical leave exceeds 7.5%. The UFA believes the City will exercise its option to do this. Additionally, if annualized medical leave rises above 7.6% a reduction in manning is mandated. This reduction will immediately reduce manning to 4-FF's on all but eleven engine companies. These remaining eleven 5-man engine companies will also be reduced to 4-and then truck companies will be reduced to 4-as members become injured or sick after the start of the tour. The FDNY's own studies conducted at the NYC Fire Academy have documented that manning reductions will create an adverse impact on the safety of Firefighters and the public, significantly increasing the time it takes to stretch lines and get water on the fire. Also note that 4-man truck companies will need to modify existing search and rescue protocol (VES) at fires. These manning reductions if enacted will compromise Firefighter and public safety.

    13. UFA Ad Campaign: Billboard Trucks Start Rolling
    The UFA's billboard trucks began traveling the five boroughs on May 28 warning all New Yorkers that the Mayor's plan to close fire companies will impact the safety of those who live, work and visit here. As you know, the UFA launched a radio ad campaign on more than a half dozen stations. The 30 second spot will continue to appear on six New York City stations and one of the most politically significant stations in Albany (to listen, Click HERE). Radio stations include: 1010 WINS, WCBS-Newsradio 88, WOR 710, WFAN 660, WEPN/ESPN RADIO 1050, WWRL 1600, WNYM 970 AM The Apple in New York City and WGDJ in Albany, New York. The UFA is continuing its print newspaper media campaign to communicate critical public safety issues that will result from the proposed firehouse closings. We have activated an internet and social media campaign that includes Twitter (http://twitter.com/UFANYC) plus viral videos via (YouTube) to save the firehouses and protect staffing levels. Most recent TV coverage includes Steve Cassidy's interviews yesterday on WPIX-TV/Ch 11 Morning Show and New York 1's Inside City Hall. This campaign will continue to evolve daily and weekly. We are encouraging all New Yorkers to call City Council at 212-788-7100 and ask them to press the Mayor to keep all firehouses open.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hopefully09 View Post
    just figured i'd give you guys a heads up, the june 21 hearing on the validity of 6019 has been pushed back from june 21 to mid august.
    If its not "valid" - then why did they hire a class of 300 off 6019? If its not "valid" - then why are they almost about to begin a THIRD round of medicals for our imaginary class? What would make it more "valid"??? - if more minorities scored better? This is beyond absurd.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by FairHiringFDNY View Post
    The union briefing mentioned pension legislation. Not a bad sign because Tier 5 is something bloomberg wants. Bad for our future retirements but can;t worry about that until we get on.

    Also did anyone notice the daily news article at the top of the page from queens6019 mentioned some things that will be cut if the state doesn't give the money back. Did anyone also notice it didn't mention firehouses.

    The budget taking shape, the fire house closing talk seeming to die down, the council behind us, the pension legislation be talked about is all good stuff. Hope is here guys.
    Tier 5 is out the window for this year, we would be hired under tier 3 currently, as the new nypd recruits have been and will be. Legislation must be passed upstate first and that ship has sailed for this year, and the mayor must also negotiate with UFA and PBA to accept it. NYS tier5 for cops and fireman is still 20yr retirement. Lets pray this is not why the mayor is holding up an fd class, because i believe the EARLIEST anything could be passed it would be 6months to a year +

    And the article i posted doesnt mention firehouses but it does say "it will even affect agencies that do not receieve state funds"
    Sorry to sound like im correcting you, just pointing it out.
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    When you don't hear about something in the media, that's not necessarily a good thing. The less you hear means the less the public hears. If something comes to pass, it won't have as much public support because it will come as more of a surprise to some and there won't be time to build adequate public support against it.

    It is important to keep the cutbacks in the media and public eye. This helps build sentiment against these actions.

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    Cops already lost ithp and 50% indicator and they have to do 22.5 years instead of 20

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    June 18, 2010 2:33 PM 1 Comment .Mayor Bloomberg On State Budget: "Get It Done!" »
    By Frank Lombardi

    A little more for you on Mayor Bloomberg, who really wants the state to get the budget over with already:


    .The mayor today said the city’s proposed new $63 billion budget hinges on “assumptions” of what the state and federal government will do in terms of aid to the city.

    “The governor’s budget, basically, is what we’ve plugged in as an assumption on our budget. We plugged in a little bit of the Assembly budget on revenue sharing, just because common sense says you have a decent chance there. Education, we assume what the governor’s budget will do, and that’s another big thing.”

    “Number one, without a budget from the state you don’t have specificity (for setting the city budget). No matter how good or bad the numbers are it is more complex when you really don’t know. You have to make some assumptions. And sometimes those assumptions turn out to be wrong. “

    Of city layoffs, said “It depends on exactly how the money comes in, when the money comes in, how good attrition is. We are clearly going to have fewer employees, whether we can do it all with attrition or not, I don’t know”

    For teachers, he’s said he’ll withhold 2% raises for two years, and that will protect the jobs of 4,500 teachers who would have been laid off. But the budget still assumes attrition of couple thousand teachers, which will be “relatively painless compared to what might have been.”

    The mayor said the education budget will start with an $800 million hole because there won’t be stimulus funds next year.

    “For the immediate future, I think, every union understands there is no money (for raises). My job is to try to protect the jobs and workers we have and make sure that they can deliver the services with whatever attrition takes us down.”

    Bloomberg says the city has to deal with the $600 million that was anticipated in federal Medicaid funding from what was expected to be a routine re-adoption of legislation in Washington. Instead, the bill wasn’t passed.

    “And I’m going to have to figure out what we’re going to do about it over the next week and a half. We assume we’re getting $600 million from the feds to help defer Medicaid costs. Why? It was in the Senate bill, it was in the House bill, the leadership and our delegations in the Senate and the House said ‘done deal.’ And then at the last minute, the speaker of the House brought up another bill, which got passed, and very few people voted against, including our delegation didn’t vote against it…but it took out our $600 million, it took out $2 billion for the state, it took out money for 30 states in the country…so all of a sudden I’ve got to figure out is it likely to get done after next week, after the end of our budget or not. You You never know….that’s the biggest unknown…” he said if state gets cut it might impose even deeper cuts on the city to make up for it ….”because we are were the money is” meaning the biggest part of the state budget…



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    old article

    Borough Brawl Over Fire Companies?
    June 4th, 2010


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    Members of the City Council Queens delegation spatted with fellow council members this morning during a budget hearing on the proposed closure of 20 fire companies.

    Arguing that Queens and Staten Island have the worst response times — 4 minutes and 20 seconds and 4 minutes and 50 seconds, respectively, for structural fires as of April 2010 — Councilmember Dan Halloran of Queens said the Fire Department shouldn’t shutter any companies in those boroughs if it was trying to create the smallest impact with its proposed closures.

    “Removing any fire companies from those two would of course increase response times, and I say this with all due respect to my lovely friends in the Bronx, Brooklyn and Manhattan, but understand our response times are almost a minute higher than Brooklyn’s,” said Halloran. “Given what you just said, it begs the question: Queens and Staten Island are off the table, is that accurate?

    As Halloran went on, Councilmember Letitia James of Brooklyn shook her head left to right, mouthing the word “no.” (Brooklyn, as of April 2010, has the lowest response time for structural fires at 3 minutes and 33 seconds.

    Fire Commissioner Salvatore Cassano, however, took a pass: “One thing I am not going to do is get into a five borough fight.”

    Trying to smother the flames, Minority Leader Jimmy Oddo of Staten Island said the council would be fighting the fire company closures as a collective body.

    “There is no borough versus borough,” Oddo said. “Last year there was a coalition that was built. … There is no divide between and among this council, and that is the same coalition that will we need to fight this and win this. We did it last year, and we’re going to do it this year.”

    With just over three weeks left until the budget deadline, members of the City Council are squirming to know what fire companies could close in fiscal year 2011. In the mayor’s executive budget released in May, the Bloomberg adminsitration proposed to shutter 20 companies to save the city about $6.7 million. In total, the department faces about $30 million in cuts for fiscal year 2011, which increases to $41 million the following fiscal year.

    Pressed by council members to reveal what fire companies he is considering for closure, Cassano said the department was conducting an analysis on what companies it could close with the smallest impact on the rest of the city. They are using several criteria, including what the projected response times would be in the surrounding communities should a company close and the number of incidents responded to in 2009.

    Though the department had released a list of companies to close last year when they were faced with similar cuts, Cassano said they have started “from scratch” this year.

    One thing was for certain, every neighborhood would feel the pain.

    “We will be hard pressed to perform like we have in the past,” said Cassano, guaranteeing an increase in response times citywide. “Every councilmember, every community board will be affected.”

    Cassano refused to tell council members when they might see the list of closures. He only said when the department knew how many companies it had to shutter it would release a list. The list, he assured the council, would be in their hands before they had to vote on the budget.

    By law, the department has to give council members 45 days notice if it decides to shut a company.

    By Courtney Gross on June 4, 2010, 5:25 pm

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