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    Quote Originally Posted by FairHiringFDNY View Post
    EMS people must now have 2 years on to be promoted as per NOE. That will slow a lot of the hiring of EMS people.
    I don't know how true this is, but I also hear that to go from PD to FD, one would have to finish his probation (2yrs) in order to transfer his time and pension. So if you hop over before your probation is up, all the time accumulated up to that point just vanishes. I really don't know how true this is. If anyone can shine some light on this, I'd really appreciate it.
    Btw, I'll jump over in a heartbeat if this "judge" makes his final decision and a class goes through in the next 6months to a year (that is, if I'm part of the 300). Still praying like the rest of you brothers.
    6019- was sitting at 13xx
    2000- now sitting at 18xx

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    Quote Originally Posted by My1Goal View Post
    I don't know how true this is, but I also hear that to go from PD to FD, one would have to finish his probation (2yrs) in order to transfer his time and pension. So if you hop over before your probation is up, all the time accumulated up to that point just vanishes. I really don't know how true this is. If anyone can shine some light on this, I'd really appreciate it.
    Btw, I'll jump over in a heartbeat if this "judge" makes his final decision and a class goes through in the next 6months to a year (that is, if I'm part of the 300). Still praying like the rest of you brothers.
    I would ask in the rant about that one since so many gave actually done it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by My1Goal View Post
    I don't know how true this is, but I also hear that to go from PD to FD, one would have to finish his probation (2yrs) in order to transfer his time and pension. So if you hop over before your probation is up, all the time accumulated up to that point just vanishes. I really don't know how true this is. If anyone can shine some light on this, I'd really appreciate it.
    Btw, I'll jump over in a heartbeat if this "judge" makes his final decision and a class goes through in the next 6months to a year (that is, if I'm part of the 300). Still praying like the rest of you brothers.
    You can switch with 1 day on PD and on day two enter the fire accademy. Your pensionable time doesn't change. These are based on acuarial tables, and such. You start paying in the day you start collecting a paycheck.

    That date never changes.

    Ask your PBA delegate or call your pension desk if you want an offical answer.

    BTW....your time towards pay doesn't count regardless if you have 1 day or 19 years as a Sgt in PD. You now start back a 6th Grade firemans pay.

    FTM-PTB

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    What was the reason why they only took 80 ems out of 325 guys??? Did they stop at 80 or did the rest not show up/ fail out????

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    Quote Originally Posted by FFFRED View Post
    You can switch with 1 day on PD and on day two enter the fire accademy. Your pensionable time doesn't change. These are based on acuarial tables, and such. You start paying in the day you start collecting a paycheck.

    That date never changes.

    Ask your PBA delegate or call your pension desk if you want an offical answer.

    BTW....your time towards pay doesn't count regardless if you have 1 day or 19 years as a Sgt in PD. You now start back a 6th Grade firemans pay.

    FTM-PTB
    Hi FFFRED, I really appreciate your quick reply. So I guess my time with the pd still transfers whether or not I've finished my probationary period. That's great news. I just started the PD academy but I'll be the first to jump if/when I get the call for the FD, as it is my one and only goal. The only thing that's getting me through the pd academy right now is picturing myself at the Rock, training with all the stand-up guys I've met on 6019. I still believe...
    6019- was sitting at 13xx
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    FDNY head Salvatore Cassano heads to church to encourage more minorities to apply to be firefighters

    BY Lore Croghan and John Lauinger
    DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS

    Sunday, July 17th 2011, 6:08 PM

    Fire Department Commissioner Salvatore Cassano took to the altar of a prominent black church Sunday to urge African-Americans and women to apply to become firefighters.

    Cassano's Sabbath speech to the Greater Allen African Methodist Episcopal Church in Jamaica touted a new hiring exam-which still requires a judge's approval-aimed at making the FDNY more diverse.

    The FDNY has been blocked from making new hires over the last three years because a federal judge ruled the tests were disciminatory against minorities and helped create a department that is roughly 91% white.

    Even though the new test has yet to be approved, Cassano stood before the congregation of the Greater Allen African Methodist Episcopal Church in Jamaica Sunday and sang the praises of working for the FDNY.

    "If you know a young man or woman who's looking for a great job, the FDNY is the answer," Cassano told the congregation.

    "You will have a second family in the Fire Department," Cassano added. "You'll never regret being an FDNY member."

    Cassano is expected to discuss aspects of the new exam at a press conference at a Manhattan firehouse on Monday. The department hopes to give the test early next year - and Cassano said he expects a record turnout.

    The FDNY currently has about 300 openings and has over the last 18 months had some 130,000 people express interest in taking the firefighter exam, department officials said.

    But Cassano's sales pitch at the church will amount to little more than a Sunday sermon if Judge Nicholas Garaufis does not approve the new test.

    The Justice Department has long scrutinized the firefigher exams, which have been the subject of legal challenges by a fraternal organization of black FDNY firefighters.

    Last year, Garaufis gave the city five options to hire 300 new firefighters. The options ranged from a random drawing of candidates who had taken the test to hiring a full class that reflected the racial demographics of the applicant pool.

    The city rejected the proposals, arguing that they amounted to race-based quotas. The FDNY opted to redesign the test.

    The Rev. Floyd Flake, a former congressman who heads the Greater Allen AME Church, said he believes the FDNY is a good career choice - particularly in a sluggish economy.

    "There was a sense in prior years that African-Americans were not welcome," Flake told reporters before Sunday's worship service. "I've seen dramatic change."

    Jackie Martinez, 29, who is black and has been an FDNY firefighter for five years, agreed with Flake's assessment and called being a member of the Bravest "an amazing experience."

    She also urged women to take the test. Right now, there are only 29 active-duty female firefighers out of a force of more than 10,000.

    "It's a team effort - you will be part of the team," said Martinez, who was working an FDNY information booth inside the church entrance Sunday.

    "It's a career with growth and advancement. The Fire Department is reaching out to everyone."

    FDNY officials say the department intends to make the new test open to first-time applicants between the ages of 18 and 29. They plan to increase the maximum age to 35 for anyone who took one of the tests blocked by the court.

    With Jonathan Lemire

    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/...#ixzz1SQMvO3Bx
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    i really like what they have done with the residencey points, it wont just be a 5 point grab bag this time around. does anybody know if vet points are still 5? i didnt see it in the NOE

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    did anybody see on the NOE under EXAMINATION RESULTS? it says

    "The court will decide whether to approve the exam following its administration to the applicants."

    i think we all know what this means even if the test is given we could be in the same exact spot we are rite now

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    After completing your application for the exam, be sure to take the survey and leave in the comments section something to the following effect:

    It is not the governments business what race I am; furthermore, a mandotory survey such as that given on the Firefighters Application is unconstitutional and is a violation of the rights of U.S. Citizens. What is even more unfortunate is that a Federal Judge is the one who enforced the requirement of such a survey. Is Justice not blind?

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    http://manhattan.ny1.com/content/top...tment-campaign

    Cassano was in a Harlem firehouse to kick off the ad campaign for the new exam. According to NY1, recruiters will be out at certain locations WITH LAPTOPS, to sign people up. I wonder if those laptops have a special fee wavier button.

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    where is the part about the laptops?

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    6019. 6019. 6019. 6019. 6019. 6019. 6019. 6019. 6019.
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    Quote Originally Posted by myles8683 View Post
    did anybody see on the NOE under EXAMINATION RESULTS? it says

    "The court will decide whether to approve the exam following its administration to the applicants."

    i think we all know what this means even if the test is given we could be in the same exact spot we are rite now
    Of course. If a majority of the minorities dont score well, the test will be voided again. And although it shouldnt be about race retaliation buuuuut: (watch the whole thing to understand the joke)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4f9zR5yzY
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    Thumbs down Stop the Dept of Social Justice. NOBAMA

    Quote Originally Posted by FDNYPD View Post
    Of course. If a majority of the minorities dont score well, the test will be voided again. And alth

    ough it shouldnt be about race retaliation buuuuut: (watch the whole thing to understand the joke)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4f9zR5yzY
    Just watched the Dog & Pony show at the quarters up in Harlem. The Dept

    released some figures that showed some 34% of african americans were

    interested in the new test. I believe that 33% of the minorities who took

    #6019 passed the test. All this BS for a one% increase. Sounds and looks

    like Deja Vu all over again. Support rank order hiring off #6019. Stay safe.

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    Is it true that the judge didn't "approve" this test yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDNYPD View Post
    Of course. If a majority of the minorities dont score well, the test will be voided again. And although it shouldnt be about race retaliation buuuuut: (watch the whole thing to understand the joke)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4f9zR5yzY
    lol.......wow

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrooklynBorn View Post
    where is the part about the laptops?
    Straight from the FDNY web site:

    "The Department also will use social media to communicate information about the exam process, including dozens of recruitment events each week where FDNY members will assist members of the public in signing up for the exam online. Recruiters in the field will have wireless laptops and gift cards for purchase that can be used to electronically file for the test.

    Why should anyone need assistance signing up for the exam? Is somebody going to be there to assist when they take the written exam, or the physical exam, or better yet will somebody be there to hold their balls in the field when peoples lives depend on it? A little initiative and leg work on your own will do wonders in the long run and maybe you will feel better about yourself knowing how you went about getting this job, not getting a ****ing handout every step of the way.

    It also mentions the recruitment unit has been reaching out via phone banks, and e-mails to certain individuals reminding them that the filing period is open and to sign up for the test. Funny, having been a victim of this foolish lawsuit, I myself have had to constantly read the paper, watch the news, along with endless searching of websites just to keep informed of what has been going on, and what to expect next all on my own. I am sure they still have our info from 6019, you'd think that while they are in the giving mood they would drop us a line to let us know what was the plan is. I am still waiting and I won't hold my breath.

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    cheif Mannix was supposed to be on bronx 12 news station tonight. I don't think I have that channel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrooklynBorn View Post
    cheif Mannix was supposed to be on bronx 12 news station tonight. I don't think I have that channel.
    It's on their website. Just a brief statement at the end of the clip via phone interview about the demands of todays job and how basic skills and reading comprehension are a NECESSITY in order to succeed.

    http://www.news12.com/index.jsp?regi...region_name=BX

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    I have to be honest, I was so pumped when I filed to take the new exam. Now everytime I look online I get sick to my stomach at seeing how hard they are pushing the minorities. I feel that no matter how good I do on the exam or how hard I train, the same result may occur. It is just depressing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neal2578 View Post
    I have to be honest, I was so pumped when I filed to take the new exam. Now everytime I look online I get sick to my stomach at seeing how hard they are pushing the minorities. I feel that no matter how good I do on the exam or how hard I train, the same result may occur. It is just depressing.
    hopefully they are just doing it so they can not be accused of being neglectful of the "problem",

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    Read the details a little more thoroughly this time.......From the DCAS .PDF file

    ELIGIBILITY TO BE PROMOTED: In order to be eligible for promotion, you must have completed your probationary period in an eligible title as indicated in the above "Eligibility To Take Examination" section, and you must be permanently employed in an eligible title or your name must appear on a Preferred List for an eligible title at the time of promotion. Additionally, you must have served in an eligible title or eligible titles for a period of at least two years, unless your probationary period in that eligible title has been waived pursuant to Rule 5.2.4 of the Personnel Rules and Regulations of the City of New York. Time served prior to a break in service of more than one year will not be credited toward meeting this requirement.
    Additionally, you must, at the time of consideration for promotion, meet all the qualification requirements for Emergency Medical Specialist–EMT or Emergency Medical Specialist–Paramedic, including, but not limited to, possession of all required certifications. After promotion, you will be required to possess, as a minimum, a Certified First Responder Certification with Defibrillation (CFR-D), which must be maintained for the duration of employment.

    So you must be civil service EMT for at least 2 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JerkAlert View Post
    Read the details a little more thoroughly this time.......From the DCAS .PDF file

    ELIGIBILITY TO BE PROMOTED: In order to be eligible for promotion, you must have completed your probationary period in an eligible title as indicated in the above "Eligibility To Take Examination" section, and you must be permanently employed in an eligible title or your name must appear on a Preferred List for an eligible title at the time of promotion. Additionally, you must have served in an eligible title or eligible titles for a period of at least two years, unless your probationary period in that eligible title has been waived pursuant to Rule 5.2.4 of the Personnel Rules and Regulations of the City of New York. Time served prior to a break in service of more than one year will not be credited toward meeting this requirement.
    Additionally, you must, at the time of consideration for promotion, meet all the qualification requirements for Emergency Medical Specialist–EMT or Emergency Medical Specialist–Paramedic, including, but not limited to, possession of all required certifications. After promotion, you will be required to possess, as a minimum, a Certified First Responder Certification with Defibrillation (CFR-D), which must be maintained for the duration of employment.

    So you must be civil service EMT for at least 2 years.
    The way I see it is the guys who just got on EMS (I believe the number is somewhere around 70-80 people) a few weeks ago, they can apply for the promotion. They will be on about 6 months come exam time, it will then take roughly a year for them to establish the list, give physicals, medicals, psychologicals etc. so they could just defer for a class or two while they are still ineligible and then get hired after being on 2 years. I also wouldn't worry about the promo test ruining peoples chances of getting hired (if you think it will, we are all more then free to go that route) I'm more concerned with Garaufis and what he will do when he doesn't get his results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeanSouth View Post
    The way I see it is the guys who just got on EMS (I believe the number is somewhere around 70-80 people) a few weeks ago, they can apply for the promotion. They will be on about 6 months come exam time, it will then take roughly a year for them to establish the list, give physicals, medicals, psychologicals etc. so they could just defer for a class or two while they are still ineligible and then get hired after being on 2 years. I also wouldn't worry about the promo test ruining peoples chances of getting hired (if you think it will, we are all more then free to go that route) I'm more concerned with Garaufis and what he will do when he doesn't get his results.
    I think it would be too late for the rest of us to go that route and make this application.

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    you guys think it will take over a year for them to hire after the test is given??

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