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    Whats up guys!! i too scored very well on 6019 sitting at 200X. After taking test 2000 I scored much worse. Sitting around 10000. Not sure what we can do to help ourselves but i feel we should try to do something. Im sure there are many of you in the same position as myself. If you have any ideas on how we can fight back for them taking away something we earned let me know. i think we should stand up and fight for list 6019 to stay alive and hopefully be considered to hire off of.

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    To those who are frustrated and disgusted some quick unsolicited advice.

    Don't give up. Be active, join groups like www.meritmattersusa.blogspot.com
    The Vulcans tried for decades to shake down the city with legal maneuvers before finding a judge to go along with their patronage racket. You must be as active, persistent and determined.

    For some of you there will be another day for those who are too old for the next exam this is something that you can continue to help fight.

    Take your experiences, your crushed dreams and your displeasure and commit to being an advocate for the elimination of the race-grievance industry. You either have kids or probably will someday and they will be subjugated just assuredly as you were.

    Write down your feelings and experiences today. Do it now. Make sure that with age you never forget the specifics that can fade away with ones memory. Make sure that it is somewhere on paper or on a computer file that you will always keep with you. That your children and their grandchildren and all your decedents can look back on and gain some perspective and wisdom for it is guaranteed that these bigots will NEVER quit.

    For the present you can also:

    Write the Supreme court with your experiences.

    Write your city councilman on any issue where a Race-identity group looks for favoritism.

    Write each elected representative with your experience and your position on the matter. Tailor each letter to the issues that each person handles. Local and State Politicians should be reminded of the Equal Opportunity laws and Civil Service laws and why they exist.
    Federal Reps and Senators should be reminded of the abuse of Civil Rights Law. They should be very familiar with how you have been treated as a 2nd class citizen because of the concept of Disparate impact.

    Send articles like this one: Obama’s Racialism Harms Heroic FDNY
    To all your representatives and your friends to explain what a mess this is and how you were denied equal opportunity because of the Vulcans and the Obama DOJ.

    Everywhere you go in life no mater where it takes you...be an unwavering agent for equal opportunity and speak out against the progressive agenda. In school admissions, in employment in anything.

    You are the best hope to turn this mess around as you are a living example of the cost of entertaining the purveyors of racial resentment and grievance. They claim to be the victims while persons like you guys are the only ones who have really been victimized by some ones agenda.

    If you sit back and do nothing you accept what just happened and I'd venture a guess it will only get worse for your children and grandchildren.

    Best of Luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manhattan Medic View Post
    It's tough to find a lot of information on the specifics of the new pension plan, but far as I can tell its actually still tier 3, and as someone else said you have to do 22.5 years, however they incentivize it such that you will probably want to do 25. At 62, or when you start collecting social security there is a 50% offset, meaning 50% of whatever you get for social security is deducted from your pension check. On the bright side, the cost of living adjustment (COLA) is actually quite a bit better than tier 2, and could end up costing the city a lot more in the long run than the old pension plan.
    Its similar, but not the same. Tier 5 (IIRC) used final three years avg. salary for a 50% pension average, tier 6 uses final five. Regarding the length, non-tier 2 members can retire after 22.5, but to get the COLA you mentioned, theyll need to do 25. Getting to 25 though could be a challenge; bunker gear is heavy, and no ones ever done a full career here in it yet.
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    230's on 6019, now 6,700s on 2000, what a shame, World is going to ****.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bronxman718 View Post
    230's on 6019, now 6,700s on 2000, what a shame, World is going to ****.
    Bronxman718. hopefully the city wins the appeal and we can all fight to keep 6019 alive. dont give up hope yet.. just be ready to fight back when we are needed to be heard.. keep up on the merit matterns website.

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    Default 6019 we got to figh!!

    I think we should come together and fight it is not fair at all!!!! They should continue to hire off of our list just like nypd, co and some other agencies that hire off of differnt list they need to keep our list alive!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by crystyle323 View Post
    I think we should come together and fight it is not fair at all!!!! They should continue to hire off of our list just like nypd, co and some other agencies that hire off of differnt list they need to keep our list alive!!
    I am with you 100%. the only thing is we need enough people to make enough noise. We should be in front of that court house standing up and fighting to keep our list going. Just not sure how many people we have that are willing to fight this battle.

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    i dont know how people did worse on an easier test. 4xxx on 6019 and 2000 was extremely easy. Definitely sucks, but I just dont get it for those that did so well on 6019.

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    Default Even before i took exam 2000 I felt that this was unfair

    Quote Originally Posted by grok350 View Post
    i dont know how people did worse on an easier test. 4xxx on 6019 and 2000 was extremely easy. Definitely sucks, but I just dont get it for those that did so well on 6019.
    Im not sure what You dont get with that test it was too easy i was focusing on getting a hundred taken my time and one part closed out on me and i missed 4 question i scored 5 points less then i did on the 6019 test. Its just not right that test should not have been thrown out of course you would feel alright because you got a better score on a easier test. Congrats in all but don't knock who did well on a test that they tried they best on in 07 for it to be thrown out

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    Quote Originally Posted by crystyle323 View Post
    Im not sure what You dont get with that test it was too easy i was focusing on getting a hundred taken my time and one part closed out on me and i missed 4 question i scored 5 points less then i did on the 6019 test. Its just not right that test should not have been thrown out of course you would feel alright because you got a better score on a easier test. Congrats in all but don't knock who did well on a test that they tried they best on in 07 for it to be thrown out

    I honestly think they should of gave you guys the priority hiring. All they did was give an age extension so that you guys would shut up about the test being thrown out. These people are messing individuals lives up, but of course they don't give two sh1ts because they are in a position of power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grok350 View Post
    i dont know how people did worse on an easier test. 4xxx on 6019 and 2000 was extremely easy. Definitely sucks, but I just dont get it for those that did so well on 6019.
    Because the personality F'ed a lot of people. They told you one thing and rewarded another.

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    I have discovered no information whatsoever regarding the city's so-called appeal; no current status, no court visibility, etc. My guess is that no one is pushing anything until the USSC rules on the Univ. of Texas affirmative action case first.

    Even if they DID appeal, Bloomberg wouldn't want to hire off list 6019 because of Tier 2, correct? Or am I wrong and even those of us that took 6019 and should have been hired off of it would be subjected to the garbage of Tier 6?

    And yes, I too lost about 4000+ spots in line on the new and "improved" Exam 2000 vs. 6019. I'm no FDNY historian but I am unaware of any group of people as screwed over as list 6019 candidates in the last 30 years. Combine that with the country's budgetary and fiscal crises and we have a perfect storm.

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    The exam you took has no bearing on what tier you would be. The date that you enter city service/begin your pensionable time is the only thing that matters there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waiting4Months View Post
    I have discovered no information whatsoever regarding the city's so-called appeal; no current status, no court visibility, etc. My guess is that no one is pushing anything until the USSC rules on the Univ. of Texas affirmative action case first.

    Even if they DID appeal, Bloomberg wouldn't want to hire off list 6019 because of Tier 2, correct? Or am I wrong and even those of us that took 6019 and should have been hired off of it would be subjected to the garbage of Tier 6?

    And yes, I too lost about 4000+ spots in line on the new and "improved" Exam 2000 vs. 6019. I'm no FDNY historian but I am unaware of any group of people as screwed over as list 6019 candidates in the last 30 years. Combine that with the country's budgetary and fiscal crises and we have a perfect storm.
    Waiting4months, Like ive been saying all along be ready to fight for priority hiring. if another group can make noise and succeed in what they want we can do the same. i too was knocked down 8000 list spots on the new test and now at the age limit. Just be ready to be heard when it is our time. make it your proirity to fight back and be there to support keeping 6019 alive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crystyle323 View Post
    Im not sure what You dont get with that test it was too easy i was focusing on getting a hundred taken my time and one part closed out on me and i missed 4 question i scored 5 points less then i did on the 6019 test. Its just not right that test should not have been thrown out of course you would feel alright because you got a better score on a easier test. Congrats in all but don't knock who did well on a test that they tried they best on in 07 for it to be thrown out
    It was so easy you did worse?? I would've been hired off of either so its no sweat off my back. I asked a question, don't be upset because you weren't prepared

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    Quote Originally Posted by grok350 View Post
    It was so easy you did worse?? I would've been hired off of either so its no sweat off my back. I asked a question, don't be upset because you weren't prepared
    First of buddy i wasnt tryna come at ya head in no way I was very prepared and maybe just alittle bit to focused and wasnt watchin the time and missed 4 questions i scored only 5 point less den i did on the 6019 test. All im saying is keep ur sarcastic statement to yourself your not in the same boat as me okay and i said congrats to you i aint hating on ur score. Im just saying even before i took that test i felt away like what if my score was lower then what i did on my last test. My nerves got the best of me and maybe that how some other felt. This is a job that i really wanted and dreamed about . Like i said Congrats on ur 104 but dont come at me sideways cuz this aint why im on this site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keep6019alive View Post
    I am with you 100%. the only thing is we need enough people to make enough noise. We should be in front of that court house standing up and fighting to keep our list going. Just not sure how many people we have that are willing to fight this battle.
    SO we gotta try to make it happen!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by keep6019alive View Post
    Waiting4months, Like ive been saying all along be ready to fight for priority hiring. if another group can make noise and succeed in what they want we can do the same. i too was knocked down 8000 list spots on the new test and now at the age limit. Just be ready to be heard when it is our time. make it your proirity to fight back and be there to support keeping 6019 alive.
    Im down to fight for 6019!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waiting4Months View Post
    I have discovered no information whatsoever regarding the city's so-called appeal; no current status, no court visibility, etc. My guess is that no one is pushing anything until the USSC rules on the Univ. of Texas affirmative action case first.

    Even if they DID appeal, Bloomberg wouldn't want to hire off list 6019 because of Tier 2, correct? Or am I wrong and even those of us that took 6019 and should have been hired off of it would be subjected to the garbage of Tier 6?

    And yes, I too lost about 4000+ spots in line on the new and "improved" Exam 2000 vs. 6019. I'm no FDNY historian but I am unaware of any group of people as screwed over as list 6019 candidates in the last 30 years. Combine that with the country's budgetary and fiscal crises and we have a perfect storm.
    We have to do what ever it take fair is fair!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FdnytolifeE293 View Post
    I honestly think they should of gave you guys the priority hiring. All they did was give an age extension so that you guys would shut up about the test being thrown out. These people are messing individuals lives up, but of course they don't give two sh1ts because they are in a position of power.
    Listen and know this, "THEY" didn't give us anything. Candidates off 6019 like D.Hines, A.Sandy, R. Wax, etc. went to council members doors and literally knocked on all of them to tell them we need a age extension. We sat in in a city wide council meeting on Broadway and Duane street to testify on why they should support an age extension which was voted on and approved. Without our effort nothing would've happened, so nobody "gave" us nothing, we gave all members on 6019 who were gonna be aged out of 2000 the opportunity to test again.
    Next your kinda late in the game to if your just starting to fight for 6019, almost 100 of us were meeting in Bryant Park years ago trying to organize whatever we could ex. talking to lawyers, getting advice from Chief Mannix and merit matters, showing up at the court hearings before the rulings were made, trying to get media coverage, etc.
    I'm not trying to say you can't continue the fight just trying to say alot has been tried and know that it's gonna take more than a half effort and a few months. Just to get the age extension took way more than a few months to make happen. IMO the best the city is going for in the appeal is to not make a payout to minorities and the hiring of 293 who were discriminated against.
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    Quote Originally Posted by keep6019alive View Post
    I am with you 100%. the only thing is we need enough people to make enough noise. We should be in front of that court house standing up and fighting to keep our list going. Just not sure how many people we have that are willing to fight this battle.
    I'm in, supposedly we can get a lawyer to do this for/with us. Is anybody in contact with anyone yet?

    Who has point on this whole thing?

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    I vote for DJ. He took the bull by the horns with 6019. And unfortunately he didn't do as well as had hoped off 2000.
    Talk about a kick in the sack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MerritMatters View Post
    I'm in, supposedly we can get a lawyer to do this for/with us. Is anybody in contact with anyone yet?

    Who has point on this whole thing?
    I have been in contact with cheif maddox and the 2 lawyers fighting the case. I was informed that after the appeal we all can and should file a class action law suit. I feel like i have been discriminated against and i will not stand for it. There is absolutely nothing wrong with test 6019 and we should either have proirity hiring or be given 5 points on top of our score on 2000 to put those that didnt score well higher and have a chance and those that scored well on the top of the new list. just make sure you all stay in touch on this forum and be ready to make noise when our time comes!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by keep6019alive View Post
    I have been in contact with cheif maddox and the 2 lawyers fighting the case. I was informed that after the appeal we all can and should file a class action law suit. I feel like i have been discriminated against and i will not stand for it. There is absolutely nothing wrong with test 6019 and we should either have proirity hiring or be given 5 points on top of our score on 2000 to put those that didnt score well higher and have a chance and those that scored well on the top of the new list. just make sure you all stay in touch on this forum and be ready to make noise when our time comes!!
    I am in, I will be looking for when the time comes!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MerritMatters View Post
    I'm in, supposedly we can get a lawyer to do this for/with us. Is anybody in contact with anyone yet?

    Who has point on this whole thing?
    we could get a lawyer or contact the EEOC

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