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    Default 29 in july this year

    Hey guys,
    I just turned 29 in july. I saw a recruiter on 34th street in august and signed up for the next test in august anyway. This situation is terrible. The fact that I can not even take the test again is almost laughable. Please send me the age extention letter. My e-mail is mr.andersen81@gmail.com ...
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    This has nothing to do with the FD at all but i just wanted to post this article. My buddy Meyer is up for the Medal of Honor. Hes a good dude and a real F***ing warrior so for all the Marines out there happy birthday and Semper Fi.

    http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news...honor-110810w/

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    Quote Originally Posted by FairHiringFDNY View Post
    Tired of this #$%&! My Ranger Bn was predominantly white as are the other special operation forces. Its just the way it is. Like a Fdny firefighter, becoming a special ops soldier is tough, grueling, and dangerous. It takes a lot of dedication, courage, and motivation to do these jobs. By no means are they for eveyone and you CANT force the desire to do the job on anyone. The minute you actively "recruit" people who dont want the job is exactly when you start to diminsh the capabilities of these units. Ill tell you what, when the #$%& hits the fan and these guys that arent dedicated on their own accord are asked to step up to the plate you will see what happens. Deer in the headlights saying "$%&* this".
    FDNY Exam 6019 List# 14XX.
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    My best friend is a Ranger stuck in Kandahar right now. His father being on the job and mine being on the job alone with him. All we've really known throughout life is to become a firefighter. That's all we've ever really wanted. However, I decided to go to college and it really sucks knowing that I chose that route and most likely I'll never have a chance at getting hired. Ever. He even told me it really sucks for the average guy that a veteran of the war is handed a job as long as he does well on a civil service exam/physical that a third grader can pass. Now I have to evaluate a decision of whether to join the service or not. I'm finished with school I make 58 K + a year at a major civil engineering firm, I'm 22 and still unhappy. Firefighting has been in my blood for the last 80 years, and I just don't like the idea of going off and fighting the Taliban/Al Qaeda, even as much as I hate those ****heads. It's a really tough decision...

    Thank you for your service fellers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigandy View Post
    My best friend is a Ranger stuck in Kandahar right now. His father being on the job and mine being on the job alone with him. All we've really known throughout life is to become a firefighter. That's all we've ever really wanted. However, I decided to go to college and it really sucks knowing that I chose that route and most likely I'll never have a chance at getting hired. Ever. He even told me it really sucks for the average guy that a veteran of the war is handed a job as long as he does well on a civil service exam/physical that a third grader can pass. Now I have to evaluate a decision of whether to join the service or not. I'm finished with school I make 58 K + a year at a major civil engineering firm, I'm 22 and still unhappy. Firefighting has been in my blood for the last 80 years, and I just don't like the idea of going off and fighting the Taliban/Al Qaeda, even as much as I hate those ****heads. It's a really tough decision...

    Thank you for your service fellers.


    At 22 yrs old you have absolutely zero reason to say that you'll "never have a chance at getting hired. Ever."

    If you stick it out, you'll get it eventually. There are a whole bunch of us who are anywhere from about to turn 29 to 34 yrs old that are working hard to get this age extension. So even with that obstacle, we're confident that we will at least get another chance.

    If you're not willing to take a pay cut, then that's another story.....
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    Happy Birthday Marines!!!!Semper FI

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigandy View Post
    My best friend is a Ranger stuck in Kandahar right now. His father being on the job and mine being on the job alone with him. All we've really known throughout life is to become a firefighter. That's all we've ever really wanted. However, I decided to go to college and it really sucks knowing that I chose that route and most likely I'll never have a chance at getting hired. Ever. He even told me it really sucks for the average guy that a veteran of the war is handed a job as long as he does well on a civil service exam/physical that a third grader can pass. Now I have to evaluate a decision of whether to join the service or not. I'm finished with school I make 58 K + a year at a major civil engineering firm, I'm 22 and still unhappy. Firefighting has been in my blood for the last 80 years, and I just don't like the idea of going off and fighting the Taliban/Al Qaeda, even as much as I hate those ****heads. It's a really tough decision...

    Thank you for your service fellers.


    I wouldn't join the military unless you really wanted to or else you'll really be miserable and your enlistment will literally feel like a prison sentence. If you do want to join and don't want to fight Al Qaeda just pick a non-combative/non-infantry MOS and you'll never go near combat (unless your just in the wrong place at the wrong time ie:Jessica lynch). Contrary to popular belief or the BS artist vets who give the "so there i was" stories, an extremely tiny percentage of guys actually get into firefights. If you really think you'll never get on and need the points that badly than go join the Navy or Air Force, travel to nice get tattoos and bang everything that moves lol

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    Anyone who thinks that veterans are "handed jobs" if they pass written/physical exams does not know what they're talking about.

    If anything, one could make the argument that the opposite is true. Veterans unemployment is at least 4 times higher than the national average. If the national average hits 10% that means nearly half of all veterans are unemployed.

    I wouldn't worry too much at 22.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigandy View Post
    My best friend is a Ranger stuck in Kandahar right now. His father being on the job and mine being on the job alone with him. All we've really known throughout life is to become a firefighter. That's all we've ever really wanted. However, I decided to go to college and it really sucks knowing that I chose that route and most likely I'll never have a chance at getting hired. Ever. He even told me it really sucks for the average guy that a veteran of the war is handed a job as long as he does well on a civil service exam/physical that a third grader can pass. Now I have to evaluate a decision of whether to join the service or not. I'm finished with school I make 58 K + a year at a major civil engineering firm, I'm 22 and still unhappy. Firefighting has been in my blood for the last 80 years, and I just don't like the idea of going off and fighting the Taliban/Al Qaeda, even as much as I hate those ****heads. It's a really tough decision...

    Thank you for your service fellers.
    do what i did ,join the coast guard.. its a branch in the miltary (although youll take sh*t from others) it was probly the best time i met great people and it was relitively no combat. not to say the coast guard cant handle combat but were more in the biz of saving lives not taking them

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    FDNY Racist? Keep reading and you'll see how whites are way below repensentation in the NYC workforce and no one says a word?


    What's really odd about this is that the FDNY is far from the most "racially out of balance" Department in the City of New York! According to current demographics (SEE: http://www.wordiq.com/definition/New_York_City), whites make up appx. 45% of the cityís population and account for 77% of the FDNYís make-up - thatís a 1.67/1 ratio, or less than a 1 2/3X their numbers within New York City's general population. Even if one takes that 77% figure and throws out the ďfar more diverseĒ office staff and the EMS Units, and takes into account only the in-field uniformed workforce, said to be appx. 90% white thatís still a 2 to 1 ratio of whites relative to their numbers in NYCís population!
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    By comparison, while blacks comprise appx. 27% of NYCís population, they comprise 65% of the Dept of Corrections personnel, a 2.4/1 ratio, or nearly 2ĹX the black personnel relative to their numbers within the city's general population...and blacks account for a staggering 78% of the Department of Juvenile Justice, which amounts to a 2.92/1 ratio, or a nearly 3 to 1 representation of blacks relative to their numbers within the city!
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    So, why arenít those, even greater racial/ethnic anomalies at least as large a concern as the FDNYís much smaller racial disparity?
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    Is it simply because far more College educated whites take the exams for Emergency Services jobs, virtually assuring a disparate outcome on those exams? Thatís certainly one possibility.
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    If so, then why arenít the Dept of Justiceís and Nicholas Garaufisí agendas not being viewed through a similar racial prism?
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    To do the math yourself, youíll need two sets of statistics; (1) The racial makeup of New York city is 44.66% White, 26.59% Black or African American, 0.52% Native American, 9.83% Asian, 0.07% Pacific Islander, 13.42% from other races, and 4.92% from two or more races. 26.98% of the population are Hispanic or Latino of any race. SEE: http://www.wordiq.com/definition/New_York_City and (2) the Demographics of City Agencies: http://www.citylimits.org...by-race-ethnic-breakdown.
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    There are TWO agencies in New York City that have over 1.5X the number of white employees than there are in New York City's general population. They are the FDNY and the Landmark's Commission, which, it turns out, actually has FEWER blacks and Hispanics in its employ than the FDNY does! There is only ONE other New York City agency in which whites comprise 60% of its workforce and that is the Office of Emergency management (OEM), which has a workforce that is exactly 60% white - a 1.3/1 ratio relative to the number of whites in new York City's population.
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    Interestingly enough, despite blacks being only about 27% (26.59%) of New York City's population, or about 3/5ths or 60% of the number of whites in the city of New York, there are at least 7 agencies in which blacks comprise 60% or more of the workforce! In fact, black New Yorkers are the most OVER-REPRESENTED ethnic group in New York City's workforce.
    .
    It turns out that New York Cityís Civil Service is rife with far more startling ethnic anomalies than exist within the FDNY. There is even ONE New York City agency that records 0% Hispanics - the Office of Actuary, in a city that is 27% Hispanic! Moreover, there are at least TWELVE New York City agencies in which Asians are 1/2 or LESS than their numbers in New York City's population, including TWO agencies (The Civil Service Commission and, ironically enough, The Equal Employment Practices Commission) each with 0% Asian employees and ONE agency with just 1% Asian employees in a city in which Asians comprise appx 10% of the population!
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    However, there are no less than 11 New York City agencies in which blacks are more than 1.5X their numbers in New York City's population!
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    * The Department of Aging is 42% black. (appx 1.6X their numbers in NYC's population)
    .
    * The Department of Youth and Community Services is 43% black. (1.6X their numbers in NYC's population)
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    * The Department of Housing Preservation and Development is 45% black. (over 1.7X their numbers in NYC's population)
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    * NYC Parks Department is 49% black. (over 1.8X their numbers in NYC's population)
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    There are at least 7 New York City agencies in which there are more than double the number of black employees than their numbers in NYC's population.
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    * The Human Resources Administration is 61% black. (2.2X their numbers in NYC's population)
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    * The Equal Employment Practices Commission is 63% black (2.3X their numbers in NYC's population - Now there's an irony...AGAIN!)
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    * The Department of Homeless Services is 64% black (2.3X their numbers in NYC's population)
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    * The Department of Probation is 65% black (almost 2.5X their numbers in NYC's population)
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    * The Department of Corrections is 65% black (also nearly 2.5X their numbers in NYC's population)
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    * The Administration for Children's Services is 67% black (over 2.5X their numbers in NYC's population)
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    * and the REAL "singular embarrassment", as far as "looking like the population of New York City" goes to the Department of Juvenile Justice at 78% black (nearly 3X their numbers in NYC's population).
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    So, if written and physical standards aren't appropriate barometers for Municipal employment (and if they aren't, what good are such "services"?) and the primary goal in such hiring is to have the various city agencies "look like New York City", then why are there still agencies with 0% of some very visible ethnic groups and why are there so many more New York City agencies that are far MORE "racially unbalanced" than the FDNY?!
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    If "looking like New York City" is key here, than it appears that there are dozens of New York City agencies that SHOULD HAVE been spending millions on recruitment decades ago, just as the FDNY has!
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    Even just a modicum of consistency would be very much appreciated here.


    SORRY FOR SUCH A LONG POST, BUT JUST A STRONG REMINDER OF WHAT HAS REALLY CAUSED THIS LIFE CHANGING DILEMA WERE IN. THE LEFT WING DEMOCRAT SOCIALISTS THAT PUT THIS LEFT LEANING JUDGE IN POWER. ALWAYS REMEMBER THIS WHEN IT COMES TIME TO VOTE, THIS COUNTRY DOESNT NEED SOCIAL ENGINEERING THAT BENEFITS CERTAIN GROUPS. EQUAL OPPORTUNITYS FOR ALL, NOT SPECIFIC GROUPS.

    IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED IN READING A GREAT BOOK ABOUT WHATS GOING ON IN OUR COUNTRY'S GOVERNMENT TODAY CHECK OUT MICHAEL SAVAGE'S TRICKLE UP POVERTY. IT WILL BE TRULY ENLIGHTENING, NOT YOUR STANDARD POLITICAL NONSENSE. HES A STRONG SUPPORTER OF BOTH FIREMEN AND POLICE OFFICERS, AND BELIEVES AFFIRMATIVE ACTION SHOULD BE ENDED. CHECK IT OUT!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigandy View Post
    My best friend is a Ranger stuck in Kandahar right now. His father being on the job and mine being on the job alone with him. All we've really known throughout life is to become a firefighter. That's all we've ever really wanted. However, I decided to go to college and it really sucks knowing that I chose that route and most likely I'll never have a chance at getting hired. Ever. He even told me it really sucks for the average guy that a veteran of the war is handed a job as long as he does well on a civil service exam/physical that a third grader can pass. Now I have to evaluate a decision of whether to join the service or not. I'm finished with school I make 58 K + a year at a major civil engineering firm, I'm 22 and still unhappy. Firefighting has been in my blood for the last 80 years, and I just don't like the idea of going off and fighting the Taliban/Al Qaeda, even as much as I hate those ****heads. It's a really tough decision...

    Thank you for your service fellers.
    Are u serious??? You are 22-you're a baby, trust me there are A TON guys on here myself included that would love to be have the chance that you do to take the exam again once if not TWICE. And on top of it you are from Kearny. If all you want is 5 points on the next exam I'd say moving to the City and establishing residency is a much easier route than via Afghanistan. If the FDNY is truly what you really really want and you do get on you can not live in Jersey anyway.

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    710 am 6-8pm mon-fri. Read TUP lol. Great book. Good post

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigandy View Post
    My best friend is a Ranger stuck in Kandahar right now. His father being on the job and mine being on the job alone with him. All we've really known throughout life is to become a firefighter. That's all we've ever really wanted. However, I decided to go to college and it really sucks knowing that I chose that route and most likely I'll never have a chance at getting hired. Ever. He even told me it really sucks for the average guy that a veteran of the war is handed a job as long as he does well on a civil service exam/physical that a third grader can pass. Now I have to evaluate a decision of whether to join the service or not. I'm finished with school I make 58 K + a year at a major civil engineering firm, I'm 22 and still unhappy. Firefighting has been in my blood for the last 80 years, and I just don't like the idea of going off and fighting the Taliban/Al Qaeda, even as much as I hate those ****heads. It's a really tough decision...

    Thank you for your service fellers.
    Firefighting's not in the "blood" brother it's in the heart
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    To all my brothers in arms past and present, Happy Veteran's Day!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LIBERALISMisaDISORDER View Post
    FDNY Racist? Keep reading and you'll see how whites are way below repensentation in the NYC workforce and no one says a word?


    What's really odd about this is that the FDNY is far from the most "racially out of balance" Department in the City of New York! According to current demographics (SEE: http://www.wordiq.com/definition/New_York_City), whites make up appx. 45% of the cityís population and account for 77% of the FDNYís make-up - thatís a 1.67/1 ratio, or less than a 1 2/3X their numbers within New York City's general population. Even if one takes that 77% figure and throws out the ďfar more diverseĒ office staff and the EMS Units, and takes into account only the in-field uniformed workforce, said to be appx. 90% white thatís still a 2 to 1 ratio of whites relative to their numbers in NYCís population!
    .
    By comparison, while blacks comprise appx. 27% of NYCís population, they comprise 65% of the Dept of Corrections personnel, a 2.4/1 ratio, or nearly 2ĹX the black personnel relative to their numbers within the city's general population...and blacks account for a staggering 78% of the Department of Juvenile Justice, which amounts to a 2.92/1 ratio, or a nearly 3 to 1 representation of blacks relative to their numbers within the city!
    .
    So, why arenít those, even greater racial/ethnic anomalies at least as large a concern as the FDNYís much smaller racial disparity?
    .
    Is it simply because far more College educated whites take the exams for Emergency Services jobs, virtually assuring a disparate outcome on those exams? Thatís certainly one possibility.
    .
    If so, then why arenít the Dept of Justiceís and Nicholas Garaufisí agendas not being viewed through a similar racial prism?
    .
    To do the math yourself, youíll need two sets of statistics; (1) The racial makeup of New York city is 44.66% White, 26.59% Black or African American, 0.52% Native American, 9.83% Asian, 0.07% Pacific Islander, 13.42% from other races, and 4.92% from two or more races. 26.98% of the population are Hispanic or Latino of any race. SEE: http://www.wordiq.com/definition/New_York_City and (2) the Demographics of City Agencies: http://www.citylimits.org...by-race-ethnic-breakdown.
    .
    There are TWO agencies in New York City that have over 1.5X the number of white employees than there are in New York City's general population. They are the FDNY and the Landmark's Commission, which, it turns out, actually has FEWER blacks and Hispanics in its employ than the FDNY does! There is only ONE other New York City agency in which whites comprise 60% of its workforce and that is the Office of Emergency management (OEM), which has a workforce that is exactly 60% white - a 1.3/1 ratio relative to the number of whites in new York City's population.
    .
    Interestingly enough, despite blacks being only about 27% (26.59%) of New York City's population, or about 3/5ths or 60% of the number of whites in the city of New York, there are at least 7 agencies in which blacks comprise 60% or more of the workforce! In fact, black New Yorkers are the most OVER-REPRESENTED ethnic group in New York City's workforce.
    .
    It turns out that New York Cityís Civil Service is rife with far more startling ethnic anomalies than exist within the FDNY. There is even ONE New York City agency that records 0% Hispanics - the Office of Actuary, in a city that is 27% Hispanic! Moreover, there are at least TWELVE New York City agencies in which Asians are 1/2 or LESS than their numbers in New York City's population, including TWO agencies (The Civil Service Commission and, ironically enough, The Equal Employment Practices Commission) each with 0% Asian employees and ONE agency with just 1% Asian employees in a city in which Asians comprise appx 10% of the population!
    .
    However, there are no less than 11 New York City agencies in which blacks are more than 1.5X their numbers in New York City's population!
    .
    * The Department of Aging is 42% black. (appx 1.6X their numbers in NYC's population)
    .
    * The Department of Youth and Community Services is 43% black. (1.6X their numbers in NYC's population)
    .
    * The Department of Housing Preservation and Development is 45% black. (over 1.7X their numbers in NYC's population)
    .
    * NYC Parks Department is 49% black. (over 1.8X their numbers in NYC's population)
    .
    There are at least 7 New York City agencies in which there are more than double the number of black employees than their numbers in NYC's population.
    .
    * The Human Resources Administration is 61% black. (2.2X their numbers in NYC's population)
    .
    * The Equal Employment Practices Commission is 63% black (2.3X their numbers in NYC's population - Now there's an irony...AGAIN!)
    .
    * The Department of Homeless Services is 64% black (2.3X their numbers in NYC's population)
    .
    * The Department of Probation is 65% black (almost 2.5X their numbers in NYC's population)
    .
    * The Department of Corrections is 65% black (also nearly 2.5X their numbers in NYC's population)
    .
    * The Administration for Children's Services is 67% black (over 2.5X their numbers in NYC's population)
    .
    * and the REAL "singular embarrassment", as far as "looking like the population of New York City" goes to the Department of Juvenile Justice at 78% black (nearly 3X their numbers in NYC's population).
    .
    So, if written and physical standards aren't appropriate barometers for Municipal employment (and if they aren't, what good are such "services"?) and the primary goal in such hiring is to have the various city agencies "look like New York City", then why are there still agencies with 0% of some very visible ethnic groups and why are there so many more New York City agencies that are far MORE "racially unbalanced" than the FDNY?!
    .
    If "looking like New York City" is key here, than it appears that there are dozens of New York City agencies that SHOULD HAVE been spending millions on recruitment decades ago, just as the FDNY has!
    .
    Even just a modicum of consistency would be very much appreciated here.


    SORRY FOR SUCH A LONG POST, BUT JUST A STRONG REMINDER OF WHAT HAS REALLY CAUSED THIS LIFE CHANGING DILEMA WERE IN. THE LEFT WING DEMOCRAT SOCIALISTS THAT PUT THIS LEFT LEANING JUDGE IN POWER. ALWAYS REMEMBER THIS WHEN IT COMES TIME TO VOTE, THIS COUNTRY DOESNT NEED SOCIAL ENGINEERING THAT BENEFITS CERTAIN GROUPS. EQUAL OPPORTUNITYS FOR ALL, NOT SPECIFIC GROUPS.

    IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED IN READING A GREAT BOOK ABOUT WHATS GOING ON IN OUR COUNTRY'S GOVERNMENT TODAY CHECK OUT MICHAEL SAVAGE'S TRICKLE UP POVERTY. IT WILL BE TRULY ENLIGHTENING, NOT YOUR STANDARD POLITICAL NONSENSE. HES A STRONG SUPPORTER OF BOTH FIREMEN AND POLICE OFFICERS, AND BELIEVES AFFIRMATIVE ACTION SHOULD BE ENDED. CHECK IT OUT!!!!!


    Just forwarded this whole thing to Richard Levy. I asked if I could he would represent me against the racial disparity of all those agencies. Equality for all!!!!!!

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    Happy Veterans Day to all my fellow Vets. If you get a chance check out the

    article in the Nov 2010 issue on the DOJ under Obama and his cousin Holder.

    Very interesting story. Forgot to mention the story is located in the

    American Spectator Mag.
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    Thanks to all the 6019 vets and all veterans. You're doing something everyday to keep me free. I am forever in debt to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waiting4Months View Post
    Anyone who thinks that veterans are "handed jobs" if they pass written/physical exams does not know what they're talking about. .
    yeah, there's no handing a vet the job. everything we go through in order to get in is the same. even the psych, which I thought was interesting. what did you guys draw??if you just have to join the military, try to do something for three years that, in the likely event that the military isn't for you, will transfer over well to the civilian sector. as for the fdny, I really want to get this job, and be great at it, only we have to wait more. new test, blablabla, we will get through it. I hope I score better on this new one. you're 22, if you want to enlist, my advice is go active, do something you really want to do, and do it soon. i went when I was 19, and it was the perfect time though not everyone has the same experience.Good luck.
    Happy Marine Corps Birthday and to your grandfathers, fathers, uncles, men and women all, who have answered the call, and never ran away, Today was their day. Happy Veterans Day to everyone who still wears a uniform or has in the past.


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