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    Quote Originally Posted by BTown View Post
    Does anyone have the answer as to why the college credits were removed.
    To make the process easier for idiots with no drive to get what they need to get one the job.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FDNY78 View Post
    THIS JOB REQUIRES THE USE OF TOOLS! Traditionally it is made up of guys who come from trade jobs where they are used to using tools. I'm not saying that this can't be learned and I'm not trying to put college degrees down, but this is what I see in the field and I know alot of guys on the job will agree with me. I feel that a college degree is not necessary for the rank of FF and many of us agree with practice of eliminating the college credit requirement. I think it was a good move to remove the college credit."
    I agree with this statement, because fire doesnt kill firemen, building construction and illegally converted rooms (SRO) kill firemen. And with a construction backround or atleat knowing how to work with tools and understanding how physically demanding this occupation really is, in my opinion would make someone a better firemen than a college student with no experence.

    just my 2cents
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    Just sitting at my desk, waiting for the clock to hit 5:30. Damnit, GOD HELP US OUT!! Will our list just go up in flames? Man, I should take up yoga or something... Fock...
    6019- was sitting at 13xx
    2000- now sitting at 18xx

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    who in here can I ask a quick question about the cpat specific to NYC that I couldn't find? I would have just asked but I have a feeling some one would have found something wrong with asking that here and written about that instead of answering me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simpllyhuge View Post
    who in here can I ask a quick question about the cpat specific to NYC that I couldn't find? I would have just asked but I have a feeling some one would have found something wrong with asking that here and written about that instead of answering me.
    All ears...Ask away

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    Quote Originally Posted by fightfor6019 View Post
    I agree with this statement, because fire doesnt kill firemen, building construction and illegally converted rooms (SRO) kill firemen. And with a construction backround or atleat knowing how to work with tools and understanding how physically demanding this occupation really is, in my opinion would make someone a better firemen than a college student with no experence.

    just my 2cents

    Even though the college credit level has been lowered, it still helps weed out those who truly don't have a clue. What most people forget about is that in order to become an officer on this job, a college degree is required. It does take alot of studying and a fair amount of intellect to rise the ranks of the department. To say they should completely do away with college credits is ignorant and would eventually lead to a department filled with less educated leaders. Not what anybody wants. Have a little pride. Most college grad are much more qualified and can still perform the necessary tasks required. Don't be ignorant.

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    [QUOTE=FDNY78

    I was explaining how keeping college credits would be a bad idea in my opinion. This is a forum we are exchanging information. If you throw out a suggestion it may be disputed, whether or not you care one way or the other.[/QUOTE]

    Credits are still required for PD. Requiring them for FD would have kept parity... Don't be surprised if pay starts drifting farther apart because PO's are more educated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GMEN6019 View Post
    All ears...Ask away
    Some one PM'ed me and I'm awaiting an answer, but I guess since I got your attention I will ask anyway so others can benefit if they read this.
    I read that the step test is 3 minutes but was unsure the speed of the steps, about 60 a minute? and do they use 75 pounds or 50 in NYC? The reason I ask is when looking it up I read some depts use 75 and some 50. I own one of these vests and tried it before and the difference between 50 and 75 is a pretty big one. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GMEN6019 View Post
    Even though the college credit level has been lowered, it still helps weed out those who truly don't have a clue. What most people forget about is that in order to become an officer on this job, a college degree is required.
    yo guy, were talking about an entry level civil service exam, not a brain surgeon position.
    Its not about being ignorant nor did i say college was a bad thing. I dont feel college is nessecary to get otj. You misunderstood what i said.

    but i guess a degree in web design or libral arts makes someone a better fireman than someone who has worked as a carpenter, electrictian or even a sprinkerler fitter.

    btw, a sprinker fitter is a skilled tradesman who installs sprinker systems for fire supression and standpipes for highrise buildings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GMEN6019 View Post
    Even though the college credit level has been lowered, it still helps weed out those who truly don't have a clue. What most people forget about is that in order to become an officer on this job, a college degree is required. It does take alot of studying and a fair amount of intellect to rise the ranks of the department. To say they should completely do away with college credits is ignorant and would eventually lead to a department filled with less educated leaders. Not what anybody wants. Have a little pride. Most college grad are much more qualified and can still perform the necessary tasks required. Don't be ignorant.
    also those who want it badly can go and get the credits, I think it was only 12 or 15. The test is getting easier and it makes is harder to decide who gets the job.

    Lets say (Candidate1) has no college credits and wants ANY city job, but its not necessarily his dream to be a FDNY. He wakes up on test day and manages to get a 100. Candidate 1 Also took the test to be corrections and Transit ECT. and would be happy to be any of them.

    Another person (Candidate 2) has been dreaming his whole life to be FDNY and also gets a 100 on the test.

    Now these two people did the same on this test because the city is making it easier and easier and there is no further way to prove ones self via this test. Now if Candidate 2 really wants it more than candidate 1, Candidate 2 can then go and get the 12 credits, where candidate 1 might not want the job badly enough over another city job that requires 0 credits. My point is, it weeds out more people and is an easy requirement to make if you want the job badly enough.
    12 non specific credits is pretty easy to get at any Cuny School, and keeps people from just showing up on test day and getting the job over some one willing to do anything to be FDNY. Let that person Go be sanitation or whatever else.
    I just see a problem with really deciding who really wants this job the most when the main deciding factor is a short 8th grade level test thats given once ever 4 years.

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    "If you really want this job, you'll get it" dont worry about anyone else, just do your part and you'll be fine. whether its studying for the written or working out for the physical or even getting the college credits the fdny asks for

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    On a more positive note, a friend of mine whos otj is a union delegate for his firehouse and attended a union meeting recently. They spoke about hiring and 6019. They think a new exam might be coming out this summer but would still take 16-18 months to actually have guys staffed in firehouses. So the union supports hiring off 6019 and are going to fight for this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simpllyhuge View Post
    Some one PM'ed me and I'm awaiting an answer, but I guess since I got your attention I will ask anyway so others can benefit if they read this.
    I read that the step test is 3 minutes but was unsure the speed of the steps, about 60 a minute? and do they use 75 pounds or 50 in NYC? The reason I ask is when looking it up I read some depts use 75 and some 50. I own one of these vests and tried it before and the difference between 50 and 75 is a pretty big one. Thanks.
    Its 3:20 on the stepmill, 20 second warmup, 3 minutes at 60 steps per minute. You'll be on the mill with an extra 25 lbs added to the vest ( 2 - 12.5 lb weights added onto each shoulder). Once you finish the mill, this 25 lbs is removed and you complete the rest of the cpat course with just the 50 lb vest on. The extra 25 makes some difference but if you're ready for it, whenever the hell it might happen, you'll be fine.

    Keep training

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    Quote Originally Posted by fightfor6019 View Post
    yo guy, were talking about an entry level civil service exam, not a brain surgeon position.
    Its not about being ignorant nor did i say college was a bad thing. I dont feel college is nessecary to get otj. You misunderstood what i said.

    but i guess a degree in web design or libral arts makes someone a better fireman than someone who has worked as a carpenter, electrictian or even a sprinkerler fitter.

    btw, a sprinker fitter is a skilled tradesman who installs sprinker systems for fire supression and standpipes for highrise buildings.
    Oh Guy...I totally agree with you that college is def not necessary to get on the job. If the last exam was as easy at it was, I can only imagine how easy they are going to make the next one. All I'm saying is that college does help produce better educated individuals who if they truly want the job will get it and make the future of the department better. Knowledge of building construction and skilled trade is 100% beneficial otj. But you cant say someone with a college degree wouldn't do just as good a job if not better.

    And thanks for the sprinkler fitter definition. I had no idea what it was.

    Keep training... Lets keep the forum for info that means something. Its easy to get fired up. We've all been waiting a very very long time.

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    This article is pretty informative not sure if "flex" wrote it, but its the most detailed one I have read so far.
    http://www.inflexwetrust.com/2010/12...ghter-problem/

    From the way its written it seems like the city HS points would be for NYC high schools in general
    Last edited by simpllyhuge; 01-13-2011 at 10:42 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fightfor6019 View Post
    yo guy, were talking about an entry level civil service exam, not a brain surgeon position.
    Its not about being ignorant nor did i say college was a bad thing. I dont feel college is nessecary to get otj. You misunderstood what i said.

    but i guess a degree in web design or libral arts makes someone a better fireman than someone who has worked as a carpenter, electrictian or even a sprinkerler fitter.

    btw, a sprinker fitter is a skilled tradesman who installs sprinker systems for fire supression and standpipes for highrise buildings.
    I need my lawn sprinkler flushed out, know any skilled tradesmen?

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    Since we're asking general questions...anyone know exactly when you have to produce a DD214 in the hiring process? In 2007 I dont remember anyone having their's during the written but I could be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desire4theJob View Post
    Since we're asking general questions...anyone know exactly when you have to produce a DD214 in the hiring process? In 2007 I dont remember anyone having their's during the written but I could be wrong.
    whats a DD214, is there anything you need before the test?

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    Quote Originally Posted by simpllyhuge View Post
    whats a DD214, is there anything you need before the test?
    Its what you get after your term of enlistment in the Armed Forces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simpllyhuge View Post
    This article is pretty informative not sure if "flex" wrote it, but its the most detailed one I have read so far.
    http://www.inflexwetrust.com/2010/12...ghter-problem/

    From the way its written it seems like the city HS points would be for NYC high schools in general
    Yea, I'm not sure about what Washington has tried to push in the past, but this go around every time he's mentioned the city credit points he has followed it up with “This will ensure that our kids, that we educate in our city, are getting our city jobs,” . Maybe his motives are the same and he's spinning it differently, who the hell knows. Maybe they'd compromise and do a 2.5 residency + 2.5 city HS graduate split? I recently took a test that gave 10 points to city residents, and we weren't told anything beyond "favorable treatment will be given to those test takers who live within city limits". I found out literally 2 minutes before I could open my book to take the test that I pretty much had no shot....not the best feeling I've ever had, lol.

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