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[roadrunner09]

Check out the Washington Times 1/21/11. Editorial section written by

Mr. Quinn Hiller. Right on Target Obamas and Holders DOJ.

EDITORIAL: Justice Department undermines FDNY

Race-based lawsuit over quotas hurts lifesaving mission



Firefighters live to rescue, but political correctness is undermining this important mission in the Big Apple. Currently, 406 of 8,654 budgeted positions at the Firefighters Department of New York (FDNY) are unfilled because a federal judge and the Justice Department insist rescuing ability must bow to racial quotas.

On Dec. 15, the left-wing Village Voice described the plight of several black firefighter candidates who aced the FDNY entrance exam, only to be blocked from entering the Fire Academy because U.S. district Judge Nicholas G. Garaufis decided the test was too tough for some minority candidates to pass. Although more than 90 percent of blacks and Hispanics passed, the judge ruled the examination was discriminatory because a slightly higher percentage of white applicants did. Contrary to the ruling, these minority success rates are well above the 80 percent standard used by the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission to decide if a test has a racially "disparate impact."

Judge Garaufis wasn't impressed that New York City has spent more than $20 million since 1989 to recruit minority firefighters. He insists minorities be hired in near-exact proportion to the numbers who took the exam, which in turn must more closely mirror the races' respective percentages of the city's population. He therefore jettisoned the test results, leaving in limbo those many minorities who passed the exam.

Judge Garaufis is trying to impose quotas, and the Justice Department backs him. This push disregards a high-profile 2009 Supreme Court decision knocking down the same practices. In Ricci v. DeStefano, the court ruled the city of New Haven, Conn., could not discard the results of an objective, neutral firefighter test merely because of a racially disparate passage rate. To do so would be to deliberately choose or reject applicants on the basis of their race, and "this express, race-based decision-making violates Title VII" of the Civil Rights Act.

The lead Justice Department attorney in the FDNY case is Loretta King, who ordered the dismissal of most voter-intimidation charges against Black Panthers in Philadelphia and who is hip-deep in other race-based legal controversies. On Sept. 30, she wrote a memo to Judge Garaufis pitching four proposals to require "representative" or "proportional" quotas. Ms. King glosses over the professional challenges of firefighting to focus on whether minorities feel "stigmatized" or if black firefighters could further their "sense of fairness in their place of employment" if surrounded by more workers of their own race.

Firemen should be hired for ability, not racial bean-counting. The judge's fiat, wrote Manhattan Institute Fellow Heather MacDonald in the City Journal, "was not just groundless, it was recklessly inflammatory." The heroic FDNY doesn't deserve to have its operations so inflamed.


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...dermines-fdny/

[simpllyhuge]

I liked the tone of the article. Its time NYC released some new information on whats going on.

[HopefulFF]

IF they gave the next exam on time it would have prob been today, 4 years from the last exam....

[simpllyhuge]

How do people know who they hired to formulate the tests? I don't come across any info during my searches.

[chrome12211]

Well at least the Mets got to go through the acedemy...Hang tough 6019!

http://www.firehouse.com/news/top-he...-players-ropes

[I3akdraf]

How do people know who they hired to formulate the tests? I don't come across any info during my searches.

Myself and other dedicated candidates received most of out info either directly from the Commissioner, Deputy Commissioner or some other very reputable source(s) within the department. Can't let the computer do all the leg work now can we.

[simpllyhuge]

well thank you for that.

Has any one said anything about the age extension?

[profeshffd]

At least some of the NY Mets got to attend fire academy. maybe they can help with the FDNY's shortage of manpower and overtime problems. I guess to go to academy you have to be a profesional sports athlete. Next maybe they will let Rex Ryan lead the S.O.C. units.

[SkylinePCG]

... I guess to go to academy you have to be a profesional sports athlete...

Its not unheard of.

[simpllyhuge]

If only the instructors could teach them how to play baseball. Jk

[QueensFFCAND]

It might not be the FDNY , but definitley worth taking if you are a Westchester resident.

http://www.newrochelleny.com/jobs.as...False&jobID=35

[QCFRANKC]

EDITORIAL: Justice Department undermines FDNY

Race-based lawsuit over quotas hurts lifesaving mission



Firefighters live to rescue, but political correctness is undermining this important mission in the Big Apple. Currently, 406 of 8,654 budgeted positions at the Firefighters Department of New York (FDNY) are unfilled because a federal judge and the Justice Department insist rescuing ability must bow to racial quotas.

On Dec. 15, the left-wing Village Voice described the plight of several black firefighter candidates who aced the FDNY entrance exam, only to be blocked from entering the Fire Academy because U.S. district Judge Nicholas G. Garaufis decided the test was too tough for some minority candidates to pass. Although more than 90 percent of blacks and Hispanics passed, the judge ruled the examination was discriminatory because a slightly higher percentage of white applicants did. Contrary to the ruling, these minority success rates are well above the 80 percent standard used by the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission to decide if a test has a racially "disparate impact."

Judge Garaufis wasn't impressed that New York City has spent more than $20 million since 1989 to recruit minority firefighters. He insists minorities be hired in near-exact proportion to the numbers who took the exam, which in turn must more closely mirror the races' respective percentages of the city's population. He therefore jettisoned the test results, leaving in limbo those many minorities who passed the exam.

Judge Garaufis is trying to impose quotas, and the Justice Department backs him. This push disregards a high-profile 2009 Supreme Court decision knocking down the same practices. In Ricci v. DeStefano, the court ruled the city of New Haven, Conn., could not discard the results of an objective, neutral firefighter test merely because of a racially disparate passage rate. To do so would be to deliberately choose or reject applicants on the basis of their race, and "this express, race-based decision-making violates Title VII" of the Civil Rights Act.

The lead Justice Department attorney in the FDNY case is Loretta King, who ordered the dismissal of most voter-intimidation charges against Black Panthers in Philadelphia and who is hip-deep in other race-based legal controversies. On Sept. 30, she wrote a memo to Judge Garaufis pitching four proposals to require "representative" or "proportional" quotas. Ms. King glosses over the professional challenges of firefighting to focus on whether minorities feel "stigmatized" or if black firefighters could further their "sense of fairness in their place of employment" if surrounded by more workers of their own race.

Firemen should be hired for ability, not racial bean-counting. The judge's fiat, wrote Manhattan Institute Fellow Heather MacDonald in the City Journal, "was not just groundless, it was recklessly inflammatory." The heroic FDNY doesn't deserve to have its operations so inflamed.


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...dermines-fdny/

on a positive note the dept is under head count by 406 as of jan 2011. They lose approx 25-30 each month from retirements/promotions etc. figure they have a new exam in jan 2012and then by the time they hire the fdny will be under head count by more than 1000 FF'S

[simpllyhuge]

that january date is just an example right? Whoops reread that, stupid question.

I know this isn't any new news, but every time I read about the situation I think its so incredibly racist and hypocritical that they want to engineer the Fire Dept. to look a certain way.

[HopefulFF]

on a positive note the dept is under head count by 406 as of jan 2011. They lose approx 25-30 each month from retirements/promotions etc. figure they have a new exam in jan 2012and then by the time they hire the fdny will be under head count by more than 1000 FF'S

man I really hope they don't take until Jan 2012 to administer the new exam.

[simpllyhuge]

that january date was pulled out of thin air to illustrate the amount of FF retirees. I think

http://legistar.council.nyc.gov/Legi...tions=&Search=

Thats the link to the age extension bill info, not sure what can be done with it.

[QueensFFCAND]

Do we know when they will vote on the age extension bill?

[simpllyhuge]

Nope, you can call her office and ask, please lol.

[QCFRANKC]

i was just giving an example. hopefully the new exam will be administered before jan 2011. Has everyone written to their councilman about the age extension? email the age extensin group at 6019ageExtension@gmail.com. They have a letter prepared that we can each send to our respective councilman to garner support for the age extension. there are 51 council members and so far 27 have signed on as sponsors of the bill.

it means more when a resident of a councilmans district writes a letter. I have already written to my councilman and he has signed on as a sponsor. any responses that you recieve from councilman should be posted on here and emailed to the age extension group

[JRGYM63]

For anyone asking about the age extension: All information that is most recent is emailed out to the email list, if you want to be on it send an email to 6019AgeExtension@gmail.com and you will get all updates that way. The 3 candidates leading the fight for the age extension all have access to this email address and will send out updates when there is news. Sometimes these are long but if you read them you'll find all your questions are answered. The candidates running the email list post very little on this forum if at all. They are very busy trying to make this age extension happen as quickly as possible so unfortunately that means its easiest to stay off this forum and do everything through the email list.

I will say this one more time though since people keep asking. THERE WILL BE NO VOTE ON THE AGE EXTENSION UNTIL SOMETIME AFTER THERE IS A HEARING ON THE BILL.

The process is first we have to have a hearing scheduled (and yes it was requested but these things dont happen overnight), once the hearing happens and the language of the bill is finalized (the language of a bill can be changed anytime during this process) then it is up to the Speaker to call it to a vote at a later date.

Oh and we now have 28 co-sponsors for the bill. It can be found on the city council website be searching legislation for Int 450 (make sure you put 2010 as the year in your search)

[FFG123]

this is terrible..hopefully the bill passes for the age extension because a lot of us are going to be too old