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    Quote Originally Posted by myles8683 View Post
    i know some of you guys have been through this before so i have a question. when you hand in your residency requirements do you just hand in a folder of stuff? also with the veteran requirement its just a dd-214 correct?
    When your list number is reached and you go in for your investigation they will give you an entire list of documents you need to bring with you including proof of residency among ALOT of other stuff and yes, you just need your DD-214 unless you're requesting disabled veterans credits then you need proof from the VA.
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    Default no cuts to city schools, FDNY companies

    City budget proposal includes pink-slip pain for some workers, but no cuts to city schools, FDNY companies
    Departments of Sanitation, Health and Mental Hygiene and Cultural Affairs will be hit
    BY Ben Chapman, Erin Einhorn & Tina Moore
    NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

    Friday, November 18 2011, 5:43 PM


    Mark Bonifacio/New York Daily NewsMayor Michael Bloomberg during a chat with the Daily News Editorial Board. A city budget proposal released Friday includes a wave of pink slips. Noguera: Black, male and behind the curve Bloomy to push repeal of last-in, first-out teacher policy Top cop Ray Kelly leads 2013 mayor poll Claims of test cheats triple Mike asked to apologize to parents Mayor pushes for immigration reform ... for sexy models
    Mayor Bloomberg wants to slash more than 250 city jobs by the end of June 2012 and then lose nearly 1,500 more positions through layoffs and attrition by the same time the following fiscal year.

    Bloomberg plans to cut funding for jobs in two city departments: Health and Mental Hygiene and Cultural Affairs, a budget proposal released Friday shows.

    And the city is also proposing to bring the budget axe down on the Department of Sanitation in 2013 — shedding 254 union slots and another 50 civilian positions through attrition.

    “Even with a billion dollars in new taxi-medallion revenue and the savings items released today, we still need to fill a $2-billion hole, and the national economic picture remains volatile and highly uncertain,” Bloomberg spokesman Marc LaVorgna said.

    The proposed Sanitation cuts are particularly troublesome given the post-Christmas blizzard that crippled the city last year, said City Councilman Domenic Recchia, chair of the council’s committee on finance.

    “The economy will hopefully start to turn around and we will not have to make those cuts to Sanitation,” Recchia said. “Making those radical cuts to Sanitation would concern me a great deal.”

    Seventy city library jobs are also on the chopping block, the budget documents show.

    At the Department of Cultural Affairs, the administration is not looking to issue pink slips, but rather cut funding for 109 jobs. Administrators at libraries, museums, zoos and other institutions, where the cuts are proposed to be made, will be able to find other ways to make up the difference.

    At the moment, the FDNY isn’t facing the threat of having to close fire companies — the first time in the past few budget cycles that has been the case.
    But the agency — which has been blocked from hiring for the last four years because of a discrimination lawsuit — will shed 49 civilian workers by the end of June 2012 and another 29 the following fiscal year.

    Department of Education officials said that the mid-year budget adjustments would not result in any direct cuts to city schools.



    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...#ixzz1eZQjYA8X

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    With this news does anyone have a current headcount? Both total manpower and approximately how many guys they're down per shift? It's gotta be gettin up there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nightowl75 View Post
    With this news does anyone have a current headcount? Both total manpower and approximately how many guys they're down per shift? It's gotta be gettin up there.
    The ranks are down about 400 firemen. That number, however, does not include guys that are on off-line assignments and such.

    The headcount per tour is a lot more complicated. It varies from day to day. Some day's we're almost even and others we're short 200 firemen.

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    http://meritmattersusa.blogspot.com/


    Saw this on the exam 2000 page and thought it was verrrrry interesting.
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    iam a full time student on the gi bill, will a letter from my accountant saying that i was an unemployed full time student for tax year 2010 be acceptable along with a letter from my registrar? i started doing real estate this past year and will be able to give a 1099 for 2011

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    For your information- here is the latest (as of 12/6/11) on issues surrounding the next test. Be advised- details and dates are subject to change.



    Date- testing to begin late February/early March 2012. Test is expected to run for a 5 week period.



    Tutoring/ test preparation- an on-line tutorial is expected to begin 1/11/12. Information and Tutorial Nights are scheduled to begin the week of 2/6/12. These will be a one-time opportunity for each applicant to attend an in-person event at one of approximately 35 locations. There will be various dates. Firefighters and Fire Officers will be needed to staff these events and be trained on an overtime basis. If you are interested (and we encourage you to participate) send an e-mail to:



    recruitment@fdny.nyc.gov Put "FIT Session Instructor" in Subject Line



    Applicants will be allowed to re-schedule their assigned test date one time. If you were scheduled to show up and are a no-show, however, you will not be allowed to re-schedule.



    There are expected to be multiple forms of the exam and a randomization of questions.



    Admission notices should be received by 1/27/12.



    All applicants should be receiving bi-weekly E-Alerts with relevant information, updates, changes etc. from Recruitment.



    It is unclear whether the CPAT will be used as the Physical test

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    Any word on our case? Do we know when the next hearing is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by QueensFFCAND View Post
    For your information- here is the latest (as of 12/6/11) on issues surrounding the next test. Be advised- details and dates are subject to change.



    Date- testing to begin late February/early March 2012. Test is expected to run for a 5 week period.



    Tutoring/ test preparation- an on-line tutorial is expected to begin 1/11/12. Information and Tutorial Nights are scheduled to begin the week of 2/6/12. These will be a one-time opportunity for each applicant to attend an in-person event at one of approximately 35 locations. There will be various dates. Firefighters and Fire Officers will be needed to staff these events and be trained on an overtime basis. If you are interested (and we encourage you to participate) send an e-mail to:



    recruitment@fdny.nyc.gov Put "FIT Session Instructor" in Subject Line



    Applicants will be allowed to re-schedule their assigned test date one time. If you were scheduled to show up and are a no-show, however, you will not be allowed to re-schedule.



    There are expected to be multiple forms of the exam and a randomization of questions.



    Admission notices should be received by 1/27/12.



    All applicants should be receiving bi-weekly E-Alerts with relevant information, updates, changes etc. from Recruitment.



    It is unclear whether the CPAT will be used as the Physical test
    Where did you see this?

    Edit: I just found it on the merit matters site. Thanks
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    Shortly after Eastern District Judge Nicholas G. Garaufis (See Profile) yesterday issued a remedial order designed to remedy pervasive discrimination in the New York City Fire Department, the city appealed.


    Objecting to the appointment of a court monitor who could be in place for a decade or more and is intended to ensure that the application, examination and post-examination hiring process are not skewed against blacks and Hispanics, attorneys with the New York City Law Department sought expedited review from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit.

    The final remedial order follows an August bench trial before Judge Garaufis that resulted in a memorandum and draft remedial order in October outlining the need to impose injunctive relief, the scope of that relief and to level hiring practices that disadvantage minority applicants.

    In that order, Judge Garaufis called the FDNY "a stubborn bastion of white male privilege," said he was eschewing hiring quotas "in any way shape or form," and said the city is in denial over four-plus decades of discriminatory practices (NYLJ, Oct. 6).

    Corporation Counsel Michael A. Cardozo shot back, saying "we strongly disagree" with Judge Garaufis' conclusions and he vowed to appeal as soon as the law allowed, which was yesterday morning.

    In November, Judge Garaufis appointed Mark S. Cohen, co-founder of Cohen & Gresser, to monitor the city's compliance.

    The final order differs from the October draft in that it modifies the monitor's role for handling firefighter candidates in the post-exam period, where the judge has found friends and family of existing firefighters have had undue influence over the hiring process.

    It also clarifies the FDNY's responsibility for improving its equal employment opportunity office to comply with the city's own policy—an effort the judge said will feature the hiring of an independent consultant to evaluate compliance activities and to make recommendations on taking specific actions, including measures to detect and deter retaliation against future employees involved in the litigation, United States v. the City of New York, 07-CV-2067.

    Mr. Cohen is not empowered to issue orders, but he will certify that the city has or has not taken the steps necessary to comply with the order, including the development of a plan to "mitigate and diminish rates of voluntary candidate attrition between different steps of the City's process for the selection of entry-level firefighters."

    Mr. Cohen will make recommendations to the judge, although he has the authority to move for sanctions in case of non-compliance.

    The judge also clarified the relationship between the roles of Mr. Cohen and special master Mary Jo White of Debevoise & Plimpton.

    Judge Garaufis has issued several rulings in the case, including findings of disparate impact and disparate treatment liability. He has invalidated three firefighter exams, and Ms. White was appointed in 2010 to oversee the development and administration of a new examination, "Exam 2000."

    Once Ms. White completes the monitoring of six phases of exam development and administration, including test design, analysis and scoring and the preparation of a final technical report, her oversight of Exam 2000 will end and Mr. Cohen will step in.

    Patricia Miller, senior counsel in the Law Department, is leading the city's defense.

    Richard A. Levy of Levy Ratner represents the Vulcan Society, the association of black firefighters that sued the city.

    Delora L. Kennebrew, chief of the employment litigation section, and Senior Trial Attorney Eric K. Bachman of the U.S. Department of Justice's Civil Rights Division, and Assistant U.S. Attorney Elliot M. Scachner represent the government.

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    Hey Gimmefire, thanks for posting that article. But does anyone know if that appeal is for our case or just the court ordered monitor? Is the case finally out of this disgraceful judge's hands? Any input would be greatly appreciated fellas...
    6019- was sitting at 13xx
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    Quote Originally Posted by My1Goal View Post
    Hey Gimmefire, thanks for posting that article. But does anyone know if that appeal is for our case or just the court ordered monitor? Is the case finally out of this disgraceful judge's hands? Any input would be greatly appreciated fellas...
    Obviously, I'm just guessing here but in the decision they are appealing, the judge makes permanent the injunction preventing the city from using 6019 to hire. Which I would assume would mean they could appeal that decision as well. This is the only article I could find and it seems to focus on the monitor, but I think the writer does that because this issue has been the most recent topic of discussion.

    Hopefully the group of guys working with the lawyers will have more info soon.

    This link shows the appeal was filed on Dec 12.
    http://dockets.justia.com/docket/cir...s/ca2/11-5113/

    UPDATE: After doing some more research, it seems as if the only thing they're appealing is the court appointed monitor.

    PLEASE TAKE NOTICE that defendant hereby appeals to the United States
    Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit, from the order (one paper) of the Honorable Nicholas
    G. Garaufis herein dated November 9,2011, and entered in the docket on or about the same date.
    This appeal is taken from each and every part of said order (one paper) as well as from the whole
    thereof.


    This was filed on Dec 6, before Garaufis order of Dec 8. Which leads me to ask why haven't they been able to appeal the ruling on 6019?
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    Oh wow, the city's not appealing anything after all the big talk? I'm shocked totally totally shocked. Oh wait, no I'm not.

    There's a reason they took everyone's money for #2000 boys. City and Bloomy never intended to appeal a damn thing RE: 6019. Or any of this racially charged nonsense for that matter.

    Here's to better luck for all who were screwed over by the judge and the city on this next go 'round.

    Merry Christmas to all!

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    I'm not very knowledgeable in law. Can someone tell me, is there pretty much no hope for 6019 candidates?

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    City Appeals Judge’s Ruling of Bias In Firefighter Hiring


    Posted: Monday, December 19, 2011 5:00 pm | Updated: 11:55 am, Mon Dec 19, 2011.

    By SARAH DORSEY | 0 comments

    The Bloomberg administration has appealed Brooklyn Federal Judge Nicholas Garaufis’s Dec. 8 ruling that it discriminated against black and Latino candidates in the hiring process for Firefighter.

    An attorney for the Vulcan Society of black firefighters, which signed on as additional plaintiffs in the lawsuit brought by the U.S. Justice Department, said he doesn’t expect a ruling on the appeal until mid-to-late spring at the earliest.

    Judge Garaufis’s ruling reaffirmed the terms of the draft order he issued Oct. 5, in which he slammed Mayor Bloomberg and the FDNY for perpetuating “nearly 40 years of discrimination” that had allowed the firefighting force to remain almost 90 percent white. The Vulcans originally filed Equal Employment Opportunity charges in 2002 alleging bias; the Justice Department launched its suit in 2007.

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    The Judge’s order forbade the use of the last three Firefighter exams, which he said had had a “disparate impact” on black and Latino Firefighters in hiring, and required the creation of a new test. He also ruled that a Court Monitor must be appointed to oversee recruitment and ensure that more black and Latino candidates were hired.

    Former prosecutor Mark Cohen, who most recently worked on white-collar defense cases, was named monitor Nov. 9. His appointment drew no objections from either side, although the city opposes the creation of the position in the first place. The new test is scheduled for late February or early March of 2012; almost half the applicants are people of color.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6fthook View Post
    I'm not very knowledgeable in law. Can someone tell me, is there pretty much no hope for 6019 candidates?
    I think you have to define "no hope." There is hope in that a great victory was won (with the invaluable aid of those on this list) to extend the age limit for candidates on 6019 for the new exam.

    If you are talking about the hope of the list established from 6019 being hired from, no there is no hope. Zero hope. Absolutely not a fraction of a percentage chance. Unfortunately, anyone holding onto that is just doing themselves a disservice. Take 2000 in February/March and move on in life.

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    Thumbs down Stop the Dept of Social Justice. NOBAMA

    I thought the application process had closed a while ago. But I guess the

    liberal judges will try no matter what too impose their own social experiments.

    The most important thing to remember is that all must still pass the test. Lets

    all pray and hope that a really conservative judge overturns all this BS.

    Merry Xmas to one and all. Stay safe. Holder should resign and stop blaming

    everything on the fact that he is black.

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    NYC13 said it best. The guys on 6019 were screwed. It's not fair, in fact it sucks, but nothing's going to change. At least they made it possible if you were too old to take the test again.

    Holding out hope for that lawsuit? You'll be retired form the job you have now before that happens. Take the next test and worry ONLY about yourself. That you guys are discussing this on this site puts you ahead of many others that are going to take the test. You actually give a damn.

    As stated before, the deadline for applications is towards the end of Jan.

    Good luck.

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    As stated before, the deadline for applications is towards the end of Jan.

    hold on a sec, they opened filing for this again??? what do they want, 100,000 people to take the test?? We shouldn't have to pay for this one, or the cpat, or any of this, we already paid, and it was worth nothing. and american citizens can now be taken to guantanamo without trial, for an indefinite period of time, all in the name if protecting us. americans are giving away all of their rights in order to help "fight terrorism" and, coupled with the police state we live in, we almost have no rights anymore. obama just signed some really powerful amendments.


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    Yeah, I found that odd also. If you put in an application incorrectly you have till late Jan to get it in correctly? Or if you your application is incomplete (which I would think is incorrect) you have till that late date. But the Vulcans have come out saying they will help the thousands that have yet to put in the application.

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