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    I am currently a canidate for hire and always thought that you could not be given a polygraph if it was not specified in the announcement. Anyhow I got through my interviews and am now being given a polygraph even though there was no mention of one in the announcement. If I come up inconclusive on the Poly is there anything else I can do?


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    Are you the only candidate being given the poly?

    Check out www.polygraph .com

    Also read this recent posting: http://forums.firehouse.com/showthread.php?t=97267
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    First of all, beware of people who would give you any other advice except for TELL THE TRUTH. An experienced polygrapher will pick you out immediately if you lie. Many of those people who coach you to be less than honest actually post right here on these forums.

    It helps to understand what a polygraph is. It is a tool used by a trained polygraph operator. This tool detects involuntary physiological reactions to stimuli. The stimulli in this case are the questions.

    The polygraph is not a lie detector. It does not tell the operator when you are lying.

    It demonstrates to the operator that you had a particular reaction to a particular question that did or did not appear in other questions. When the operator sees this, he is not trained to jump up and scream that you are lying. He is trained to explain to you what he sees and to try to figure out what may be causing this reaction. Very often, the reaction is caused by something you may have forgotten to tell him. It may be caused by the way the question is worded. A good operator will give you every benefit of the doubt and every opportunity to fix the response.

    The operator should conduct a control exercise with you. One in which you intentionally lie to a question. For example, the operator will give you eight cards with a number. You will be instructed to answer in the negative when he asks you if your card contained a particular number-even the one you held. The operator will then tell you which card you had. This demonstrates to him that he it adjusted properly and demonstrates to you that it is working properly.

    One other word of warning. There are many sites on the Internet with advice on how to beat the polygraph. Some of these include inducing pain at the begnning of each answer, controlled breathing, etc. If the operator detects this, and he probably will, you are done.

    Do not be afraid to tell the truth. Everyone has made mistakes and everyone has a skeleton in the closet. If you like looking at child porn on the Internet and admit it under the guise of telling the truth, you ain't getting the job. That's not what I mean.

    Wear a suit, make a good impression and tell the truth.
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    Every canidate has to take a polygraph before being hired. It was just not posted in the job announcement and I thought it had to be. Anyhow my results came back as inconsistent and I have been dropped. I didn't lie at all in the polygraph although I was extremely nervous. Better luck next time I guess. At least I know I told the truth and did the best that I could.

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    How did you prepare for the poly before you showed up?

    Often candidates are eliminated through the poly with inconclusive results. Not that you failed, but itís the same as you did. Why is that? You didnít fail and you didnít pass? Your results were inconclusive. You still donít go forward in the hiring process. I think the problem again is candidates need to prepare for the poly the same as with any segment of the hiring process.

    Randy had the same problem. He took the poly and the evaluator eliminated him with inconclusive results based on his use of pot within the last five years. He swore he had not. Yea, right you say, but thatís his story.

    So, Randy jumps on the Internet and found www.polygraph.com and www.passapolygraph.com He educated himself on what to expect. He took a poly for another agency and passes with flying colors even that inconclusive area about pot and was hired.
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    It is definately an interesting experience. Don't lie. Don't try to fool it. Both will result in your going down in flames.
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    Are you automatically eliminated if you have smoked pot in the last 5 years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptBob View Post
    How did you prepare for the poly before you showed up?

    Often candidates are eliminated through the poly with inconclusive results. Not that you failed, but itís the same as you did. Why is that? You didnít fail and you didnít pass? Your results were inconclusive. You still donít go forward in the hiring process. I think the problem again is candidates need to prepare for the poly the same as with any segment of the hiring process.

    Randy had the same problem. He took the poly and the evaluator eliminated him with inconclusive results based on his use of pot within the last five years. He swore he had not. Yea, right you say, but thatís his story.

    So, Randy jumps on the Internet and found www.polygraph.com and www.passapolygraph.com He educated himself on what to expect. He took a poly for another agency and passes with flying colors even that inconclusive area about pot and was hired.
    These web sites teach deceptive techniques to attempt to "fool" the operator. Only use them if you have no desire to become a fire fighter.

    I detest any so-called "expert" who advises young people to do anything other than tell the truth during the hiring process. You do not need to buy a book or a CD to become a FF. Hundreds of thousands of people have become FF without these products. You don't nbeed them either.
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    Just as other have said, tell the truth. This process starts from the time when you fill out your application. If you are misleading/lie on your application, it will bite in the ***. You fill out the form, turn it in and then they tell you to come in next week to take your polygraph. Oh sh*t, you think, I did not tell them about this or that. I forgot about that speeding ticket from 4 years ago. and so on and so on. Sometimes it can be an honest mistake, or you could be just out right lying. So the best advice that I could give you is to think about each and every question on the application. Answer the question truthfully, and that way when it comes time to take your polygraph you will not place any added stress on you. Believe me when I tell you, the test is stressful enough without you having to worry about your gray answers to the blackand white polygraph questions.

    Note: When I say you, I don't mean you YAMMA75006, I mean it in general. I'm not implying that you are or were misleading on your application in any way. I hope this advise will help you the next time that you apply.

    On a side note, make a copy of your filled out application and keep it with your personal records at home, that way if you ever change jobs, you can correctly file out your new job application. Trust my in 10 years you are going to have a hard time remembering the address and name of your boss of your first job back when you were in high school.

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    A quote from the headline of polygraph.com.
    ALWAYS PASS YOUR POLYGRAPH TEST - NERVOUS OR NOT - LYING OR NOT - NO MATTER WHAT - GUARANTEED!
    That in and of itself stopped me from reading any further. I'd rather be able to say "No, I never read the crap on that website. I passed on my own, not because I learned how."
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    Quote Originally Posted by nmfire View Post
    A quote from the headline of polygraph.com.


    That in and of itself stopped me from reading any further. I'd rather be able to say "No, I never read the crap on that website. I passed on my own, not because I learned how."
    I believe you need to be prepared for every step in the hiring process before you show up. Did you prepare for the written? The agility? The oral board? Then why doesn't it make since to prepare for the remainder of the hiring process the psych and poly?

    FF/PM1 Wrote in this previous posting:

    Yes, I was asked if I had researched polygraphs in my pre-interview, but not in the actual polygraph exam. The examiner asked me why I researched polygraphs? Was I going to manipulate it? I said of course not, but I always study before going into a test, I knew nothing about polygraphs prior to my hiring process and wanted to know what they are about.

    While I am a big advocate of honesty in the hiring process, I am also an advocate on RESEARCH prior to entering into a new portion of the hiring process.

    This does not make you a "cheater" or "dishonest" for wanting to know what you are getting yourself into, just thorough.

    I researched every step of my hiring process. I learned everything I could about interviews, medicals, psych exams, polygraphs, backgrounds...not because I was trying to manipulate the system with deception or dishonesty, but I wanted to know what is next.

    Honesty was the foundation of everything during my hiring process. I used this formula.....

    If asked, a truthful answer was always given.

    If asked a question, I would answer the question honestly then be quiet.

    All other times I sat there with my mouth shut.

    I have had friends fail polygraphs, not because they were dishonest, but they were not educated for what they were getting into. They sat down and were honest, but when answering one of the polygrpaher's questions, they would answer the question and then ADD additional info not even asked for. This ultimately led to their demise.

    Learning about a polygraph does not mean I am trying to cheat it. Were you trying to cheat by going to fire stations and finding out what types of questions may be asked on the oral interview? No, you just wanted to be prepared.

    Be honest, be prepared and be consistent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptBob View Post
    I believe you need to be prepared for every step in the hiring process before you show up. Did you prepare for the written? The agility? The oral board? Then why doesn't it make since to prepare for the remainder of the hiring process the psych and poly?

    FF/PM1 Wrote in this previous posting:

    Yes, I was asked if I had researched polygraphs in my pre-interview, but not in the actual polygraph exam. The examiner asked me why I researched polygraphs? Was I going to manipulate it? I said of course not, but I always study before going into a test, I knew nothing about polygraphs prior to my hiring process and wanted to know what they are about.

    While I am a big advocate of honesty in the hiring process, I am also an advocate on RESEARCH prior to entering into a new portion of the hiring process.

    This does not make you a "cheater" or "dishonest" for wanting to know what you are getting yourself into, just thorough.

    I researched every step of my hiring process. I learned everything I could about interviews, medicals, psych exams, polygraphs, backgrounds...not because I was trying to manipulate the system with deception or dishonesty, but I wanted to know what is next.

    Honesty was the foundation of everything during my hiring process. I used this formula.....

    If asked, a truthful answer was always given.

    If asked a question, I would answer the question honestly then be quiet.

    All other times I sat there with my mouth shut.

    I have had friends fail polygraphs, not because they were dishonest, but they were not educated for what they were getting into. They sat down and were honest, but when answering one of the polygrpaher's questions, they would answer the question and then ADD additional info not even asked for. This ultimately led to their demise.

    Learning about a polygraph does not mean I am trying to cheat it. Were you trying to cheat by going to fire stations and finding out what types of questions may be asked on the oral interview? No, you just wanted to be prepared.

    Be honest, be prepared and be consistent.
    Blah, blah, blah.

    Tell the truth. Do not buy into bobby's crap. Get hired.
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    Iíve been assisting candidates for more than 35 years. Over the last 5 or so years not one candidate that Iíve referred to prepare in advance for their poly got back to me that it created problems for them. Not one.

    I do receive calls from candidates on a regular basis whose poly came back with inconclusive results or they failed like yama75006 posting above, when they felt they were truthful. When I asked what they did to prepare in advance of their polys not one had prepared. When these candidates got back to me after reviewing the sites above, they knew immediately why they failed, and would have been more prepared to pass their polys.

    You get to decide. Go in better prepared or not. There is no law prohibiting you from being prepared for every step of the hiring process including the poly. If you could learn just one thing that could make the difference in you passing your poly or failing without compromising your honesty wouldn't you want to know before you walked in? Did you know that too many candidates fail their poly by what they say before they're hooked up or after they're taken off the poly? So now you know to keep quiet.

    So, if you believe those who are against preparing for the poly you go in not knowing what to expect. Then career you have dreamed about evaporates before you eyes. Maybe they can post their phone numbers so you can call them up and ask, ďWhat do I do now?Ē
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptBob View Post
    Iíve been assisting candidates for more than 35 years. Over the last 5 or so years not one candidate that Iíve referred to prepare in advance for their poly got back to me that it created problems for them. Not one.

    I do receive calls from candidates on a regular basis whose poly came back with inconclusive results or they failed like yama75006 posting above, when they felt they were truthful. When I asked what they did to prepare in advance of their polys not one had prepared. When these candidates got back to me after reviewing the sites above, they knew immediately why they failed, and would have been more prepared to pass their polys.

    You get to decide. Go in better prepared or not. There is no law prohibiting you from being prepared for every step of the hiring process including the poly. If you could learn just one thing that could make the difference in you passing your poly or failing without compromising your honesty wouldn't you want to know before you walked in? Did you know that too many candidates fail their poly by what they say before they're hooked up or after they're taken off the poly? So now you know to keep quiet.

    So, if you believe those who are against preparing for the poly you go in not knowing what to expect. Then career you have dreamed about evaporates before you eyes. Maybe they can post their phone numbers so you can call them up and ask, ďWhat do I do now?Ē
    Nice spin, bobby. I never said not to prepare. In fact, I posted a detailed explanation of what a polygraph is, what it is not and what the process of the polygraph entails. That is FAR more than what you did. You posted links to sites that claim to help you beat the polygraph. Nice.

    I also advised kids not to go into a poly trying to "beat it". The techniques on the websites you link your crap to will be picked up in seconds by any experienced polygraph operator. That will mean immediate dismissal from the process. But you didn't say any of that. Because, after all, ALL THAT MATTERS IS THE BADGE!

    During my career as a crminal investigator, I have used the polygraph hundreds of times to determine whether a subject is being deceptive. I know exactly what I am talking about in this issue.

    What I have never seen you do is to advise these kids to tell the truth. Being honest is perhaps the first quality that I would look for in a candidate. You advice them to go to sites that teach techniques for deceptive practices. Way to go! You are despicable in the way you take advantage of these kids for your personal profit. I know, I know, you give away plenty of free stuff. If you are so interested in these kids-give it all away, why don't you.

    My office phone number is 973-927-0728. I would be more than happy to discuss this matter with anyone who truly wants to learn about the polygraph. In fact, bobby, why don't you give me a call, too? Just to chat.
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    And the score is still George 1, Bob 0. Stay turned kids. Coming up next, Captain Bob will teach us how to pass the drug test after doing crystal meth the day before!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptBob View Post
    Iíve been assisting candidates for more than 35 years.
    You've been taking gullible candidates money for 35 years. It remains to be seen if you've been doing anything that improved thier chances of getting hired. Based on the pap you spew here, I doubt it.

    Of course, if your business was all that successful you'd actually be able to purchase advertising space rather than spamming a free forum.

    The only meaningful "preparation" for the polygraph is not to have ever done anything that you don't want to risk revealing in a polygraph test. If you have skeletons in your closet that might interfere with getting the job, take the test at your own risk because the only advice that counts on test day is to tell the truth.

    Your advice about the polygraph is no better than your advice about psych tests: Utterly worthless.
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    If the polygraph is so accurate and reliable why do most federal and state courts not allow polygraph results to be entered as evidence?


    According to Antipolygraph.org:

    The simplistic methodology used in polygraph testing has no grounding in the scientific method: it is no more scientific than astrology or tarot cards. Government agencies value it because people who don't realize it's a fraud sometimes make damaging admissions. But as a result of reliance on this voodoo science, the truthful are often falsely branded as liars while the deceptive pass through.

    Learn more here:

    http://antipolygraph.org/
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    This fool continues to make himself look bad, yet he thinks he is proving something. Now he is comparing the polygraph to Miss Cleo the TV psychic.





    I don't know about you, but I think I trust Miss Cleo more than Captain Bob. And as George pointed out, Captain Crunch here still has yet to suggest actually telling the truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptBob View Post
    If the polygraph is so accurate and reliable why do most federal and state courts not allow polygraph results to be entered as evidence?


    According to Antipolygraph.org:

    The simplistic methodology used in polygraph testing has no grounding in the scientific method: it is no more scientific than astrology or tarot cards. Government agencies value it because people who don't realize it's a fraud sometimes make damaging admissions. But as a result of reliance on this voodoo science, the truthful are often falsely branded as liars while the deceptive pass through.

    Learn more here:

    http://antipolygraph.org/
    I have heard similar excuses from every guilty person who refused to take a polygraph.

    Real objective website. You want to throw websites around, here's a few:

    http://polygraph-west.com/home.html
    www.polygrpah.org

    You know cap'n bobby, why don't YOU tell the truth for a change. Why don't you admit that you are against pre-employment polygraphs? You know what? So am I. 100%. In fact, in NJ, it is illegal to even offer an applicant a polygraph.

    But you would have to stop your passive/aggressive responses and actually debate adults, instead of the kids you victimize.
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    Guys, don't bother complaining to the WT about this guy. I have tried it a million times. I guess if you are an author here, you get special priveleges.
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