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    Can anyone provide me with info on this rule as it relates to Fire Service and EMS?

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    Are you talking about the pareto principle?? If you are, then yes - it would be simple to explain how it applies to fire and EMS.


    "80% of the EMS calls I go on are to the same 20% of the addresses in the city.... nursing homes, shelters, clinics, etc."

    "80% of the physical work I do is on 20% of the calls.... extrications, technical rescues, working fires."

    "80% of the station duties are done by 20% of the staff.... the probies."

    "80% of the aggrivation comes from 20% of the staff.... the administration."

    I'm sure people could come up with a few others!

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    I have the feeling he is talking about 80% of his runs beinf medical so now he feels he is entitled to overtime for everything over 40 hours.

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    The idea is if over 80% of your day entails activities other than fire related you may be exempt from the FLSA 7k rule.

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    If you are employed by a municipal agency as a firefighter then regardless of your call volume you are covered by the 7k exemption. It is not limited to 80/20 EMS v. Fire Calls. It is all of your time, checking trucks, washing trucks, training, preplans, etc

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    I thought it meant 80% of the US population is covered by 20% of the Depts(Career) and 20% of the Population is coverd by 80% of the Depts( Volunteer)

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    The employment of the person by a municipality does not automatically allow for the 207(k) exemption.
    "More over the DOL's regulations include a provision under which employers may lose the Section 207(k) exemption if athe employee spends more than 20% of work hours on non-exempt activitiesThe FLSA A User's Manual 4th Ed. Will Aitchison p 180 2004)
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    "Under the 80/20 rule at least 80% of an employee's time must be spent either on fire protection activities themselves, or on activities related to or icidental to fire protection activities such as equipment maintenance, housekeeping duites in the station, and inspections. To retain the exemption, the employer has teh burden of proving that the employee did not exceed the 20% limitation on nonexempt activity. (Will Aitchison p 181 2004)

    A lawyer is the best bet to determine. Many goods and bads go with the exemption.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurkII View Post
    Are you talking about the pareto principle?? If you are, then yes - it would be simple to explain how it applies to fire and EMS.


    "80% of the EMS calls I go on are to the same 20% of the addresses in the city.... nursing homes, shelters, clinics, etc."

    "80% of the physical work I do is on 20% of the calls.... extrications, technical rescues, working fires."

    "80% of the station duties are done by 20% of the staff.... the probies."

    "80% of the aggrivation comes from 20% of the staff.... the administration."

    I'm sure people could come up with a few others!

    Now that's funny...thank you!

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