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Get best of best on here, come one come all. How many americans have quit? It all starts at the top.
I was considering applying for one of the Chief positions now that i have the Certifications, but......once I saw the pay being offered I gave up that idea all together.
Chiefs in the states in most departments make more then what is being offered by far, most range in the 75-125,000 range. Why would anyone consider working in Spain for 40-55k a year as a Chief when they can make so much more in the states?
I am in Iraq and I am drawing close to 120k annualized, minus travel and vacation time of course. And even though i do not have the ability to tavel and enjoy my off time like Spain, i feel double the salary more then compensates me for the touble.
I use the time off I get every 4 months to the most and travel then and enjoy my time. I use my 4 months in country to get ahead, do my job, and do whats asked of me, without the complaining or remarks.
I know there is issues in every overseas contract fire job. I see so many people online here bitching and moaning about how bad it is......
i think most of them are just that, bitchers and moaners and would complain about any department they work for.
EVERY fire department has ther own set of problems, and issues. I have been in a volunteer, paid, and a combo department, i have brothers in other departments and believe me, its not greener on the other side of the hill, its just a different type of crab grass.
People need to mature and realize that no matter where they work, there will be issues, and if you cannot handle them like adults then maybe its time to look for another type of work.
I wish the management luck in finding a new set of chiefs, but do not see quality management or experienced management to apply if they are offering pay that is sub standard.
You are an idiot.. thank you
As you can see the Project Manager lie to you also. When the dumb *** word was invented this guy was already takig a shower. There are no winners on this story and Chief Siegal wrote on Staff Assistance Report is just a matter before the Air Force will loose a plane, a facility or members of the Armed Forces since the so called Spanish Firefighters are worthless. They have every kind of excuses for wrong doing, as the Air Force reports they are very unreliable. Is time for a congressional Investigation and why the Air Force is turning their heads on a situation that should be categorized as chaotic and dangerous. For those of you that have Fire Services Management Experience you are entering the worst of everything. I give credit to some of the Spanish firefighters that are sacrificing every day and want to save the mision however those of you that dont want to be part of a fire services they need to transfer to another department. The Union stewards are chocking management by their constant presence in the Fire station. The air Force should terminate and apply heavy fines to the contractor for not maintaining management staffing levels. However instead they are giving the contractor good ratings on the award fees. Chief Marshall the USAFE Fire Chief brought this issue to the Commanders attention and again his coments as well as Chief Siegel comments were ignored.
I am a tax payer and I hate to see the Goverment paying for services that are not rendered.
Is time for those that were left to leave and dont become part of the problem move on and report the fraud and abuse that is happening. The inability of that contractor of providing the services necessary makes them part of a larger conspiracy.
Corey Grumelot is a back stabber so anybody that reads the blog will know who are you and I wish the best of luck in your career. You will not find a job cleaning toiletes with the Air Force. I suggest that you find a large tree and , have that other moron Olson help you hang yourself.
If you are planning to come to mOron plan to get screw by AFES, by the constant lies of the Project Manager and his authorithy abuse. When the last Fire Chief left they started an investigation through a Law firm since there were signinficant alegations of wrong doing by the Project Manager. The Company basically covered the results up and bussiness is like nothing happen.
I urged to investigate in depth your move, that places is a time bomb and a career crusher by those assigned to run the Prpject Management over there.
If you dont belief go ahead and try you dont need to be there for a month to see what is happening.
Hope I was helpfull making your career choice and should not be with AFS.
The Air Force doesn't want to handle the PM or his criminal activities. When you complained the company fires you and let you know that you can be prosecuted. The company will bring you in as a tourist not as a workers and that violates Spain Immigration Law. The present Chief doesn't have any experience in the fields. He only knows to say (ye, ye). he doesn't even have SOPS or can even conduct a true inspection of the mission based on his lack of experience.
For those of you that stay behind ask yourself are you relying on your Spanish Counterparts. Most of the previous Management is already gone they saw the writing in the wall, as of today there are only two Assistant Chiefs and One Fire Chief in place. Are you still wondering why nobody is applying for the job. The average time for the Spanish to respond is 2.57 minutes to leave the Fire Station, 7 minutes to respond to an aircraft emergency.
As many other mentioned in the past is just a matter of time when the Air Force will face the reality by loosing an aircraft, soldiers or airman or a facility.
I am not accusing anybody however the incompetency from the present PM makes the alternative of taking the job in Moron very risky for any fire proffesional manager looking for a career move.
There is pending Congressional Investigation coming your way Moron. See how the PM is going to hide the evidence, the Base Commander and the Contract Officer got a lot explaing to do.
You mentioned Corey Grumelot; where is this *****clown and what is he doing now? This $cumbag is not a firefighter somewhere I hope. Oh God I hope he's not overseeing any fire department activities.
You hit the nail on the head with the Spanish. How long where you there?
What currency is used on base?
What are the gas prices like and how much is a decent car?
Is there public transportation? Where do you live?
Do you get paid for OT, is it straight pay or time in a half?
Is there vacation or bonus pay?
Do they pay for your airline ticket over there or do you buy your own?
How many shifts and firefighters are there?
He is by far the biggest ***** in the fireservice that has come through here. To top everything, he is running a station here.
Hey Chief... way to become famous for being yourself, an Idiot.
Gotta love the internet dont you??
So Corey is a Fire Chief??? God help you guys over there. What do you expect when you buy most of your certifications and your Daddy is a retired high ranking General. That's how he got in with KBR back in the day; he arrived without the minimum certifications and no one knew he was coming. Daddy hooked him up. There isn't one person I know that has a kind or respectful thing to say about him. He is not respected in the fire service. He is out for himself, and himself only. Watch your backs. He's a social idiot, STUPID and petty, etc. etc. etc.
WE HAVE BEEN WORKING HERE FOR 30 YEARS....AND HAVE BEEN GRANTED ALL KINDS OF REWARDS BY USAFE RECOGNITION....
NEVER LOST A FACILITY...NEVER ARRIVE LATE TO AN AIRCRAFT EMERGENCY... NEVER!!!....WE HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED AN OUTSTANDING FIRE DEPT. FOR NASA OPERATIONS ANYTIME.
WE..SPANISH F.F HAVE BEEN SHUT UP SO MANY A TIME.DEALING WITH F`KING DUMBF^KERS LIKE YOU AROUND HERE SO MANY TIMES.
THIS IS ...SPAIN!!!! AND YOU BUNCH OF BLOODSUCKERS...GOTTA TO OBBEY SPANISH LAWS!!!!.....
anymore lies coming soon?
I am glad that you guys posted here. I was in the process of applying. Was very curious about it. Heard alot of nightmares of contract fire depts.
I am sad to sad that I too worked at MAB for AFS. I find everything that Mustang says is 100% true. The bottom feaders (ex DelGen) who hold the contract are the most devious and dishonest bunch that I ever worked for. LIES and more lies should be the AFS motto. The company consists of Storming "Abnormal "Norman and his Phillipino sidekick Puppy Yalug. The astounding thing that I noticed was that the USAF let him get away with it. They sure held him accountable with DelGen. When they lost the contract in Guam, they shell gamed and lied thimselves into Moron Air Base. If you are wise, learn from our mistakes. Don't go there.
Hi, I am on Boston Fire and Air Force Reservist in Fire Protection. I used to be a federal firefighter and have a big collection of USAF fire stuff. I this your posting on the forum and wanted to see if any of you guys that worked at Moron might be able to help me out. I am trying to get one of the more recent or current Moron Air Base FD patches. I have an old one I got from a GI that was there in the 80's and was able to get a t-shirt from a guy that was there contract a few years ago, but no patch. I have Boston FD shirts, patches, hats, etc if anyone can help me out. Any help or contacts would be awesome! Thanks
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Torres is a dick brain, that is the bottom line. Talk to anyone in Saudi Arabia, Spain, Ecuador or any of the other countless contracts that he has been on and cant hold a job. He is currently wanted in Florida for not paying his child support. He is a disgrace to the fire community. If anyone out there is in the hiring capacity and you see his resume come across your desk, do yourself and your career a favor and let it keep on sliding right into the trash can. He has been fired from every single contract that he has been on and has NEVER left on good terms. The fact that he talks **** about the Spanish Firefighters just goes to show you what kind of integrity that he has. Hey Torres, if you are out there and reading this, do us all a favor and grab your Green Card and head back across the border. Honestly, do it.