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    I guess we will find out real soon what the spin doctors have in store for us. GLEO Good Luck Everyone,


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    i think i read in the docs that they intend to cancel around 30 orders that are not profitable. I wonder which departments that will be?

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    The orders they are going to cancel are going to be the Fire Apparatus, There are no plans to cancel any of the 500 plus condor units on order. That is fron the company plan. I guess we know where the Fire side of the biz stands. I hope they do well and get out of this to continue to build trucks.

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    i know that already. It says that in the documents, fire apparatus orders being canceled, about 30 of them

    The question was WHICH orders are they going to cancel?

    If you were one of those 30 departments that had a truck on order, wouldn't you want to know it was NOT going to be built?

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    Does anyone know if American Lafrance is continuing any work at all either new apparatus or refurb work?

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    Very few people are off of furlough, some have come back to work on units they have parts for however not alot of production going on until this chapter 11 thing is over. I guess your late truck is going to be a little later than planned on unless your one of the customers that had or are having your order canceled.

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    How many folks out there have ALF trucks on order and cannot get a straight answer as to when they'll start working on them or anticipated delivery schedules?

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    We are one of the departments waiting patiently to see what is going to happen. We placed our order in late August. It would be nice to know whether or not our order was one of those they are talking about canceling. We ordered a 3000gallon Liberty tanker with a 750 gpm pump. I hope this all works out for everyone.

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    looking at the chapter 11 filing documents, there are a lot of fire departments who have prepaid or placed large deposits on there apparatus order. I wonder if any of this money was FEMA money. or how the departments will be repaid if the order is canceled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imafireman View Post
    We are one of the departments waiting patiently to see what is going to happen. We placed our order in late August. It would be nice to know whether or not our order was one of those they are talking about canceling. We ordered a 3000gallon Liberty tanker with a 750 gpm pump. I hope this all works out for everyone.

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    I doubt they'll be cancelling any Liberty orders - thats the bread and butter...or what should be the bread and butter anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by canuck1 View Post
    I doubt they'll be cancelling any Liberty orders - thats the bread and butter...or what should be the bread and butter anyway
    If I had to guess (and I do) I'd guess that the orders that will be canceled will be one-off, high option, very customized orders. While those orders can be very expensive purchases for the departments, are they necessarily a high profit margin order for the manufacturer? Also, they're certainly more labor intensive and more difficult to build than a cookie cutter model such as the Liberty series.

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    I heard something amazing today. Someone bought over 200 brand new rear axles from ALF. It seems that when they receive a chassis for an aerial they simply cut the frame off and attach the front section to the aerial torque box. That part isn't all that amazing. What blew my mind was that they didn't even try to reuse the axles, they used totally different ones. This guy bought over 200 brand new axles equipped with brand new tires, including Michelins, and even got the driveshafts.

    What a waste!

    This is what happens when corporate, cookie cutter management meets customized fire apparatus. Remember that the next time you real an ALF press release claiming that software is a problem. It sounds more like management is the problem.

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    Actually this is the scoop on the axles. As much as I love a good rumor I have to throw this in.

    American LaFrance seeks permission to sell assets
    By Dan McCue , Staff Writer

    American LaFrance wants to sell off assets and property that is free and clear of liens, claims or other encumbrances as it moves to reorganize itself into a leaner and profitable company.

    A hearing on the company’s request for permission is set for 10 a.m. March 3 in the U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Wilmington, Del. Objections to the request must be filed with the court by Feb. 25.

    American LaFrance filed for Chapter 11 protection on Jan. 28, and has been working with a court-appointed trustee since Feb. 4 to help settle its affairs with creditors.

    In court documents filed Feb. 14, the company asked U.S. Bankruptcy Court Judge Brendan Linehan Shannon to approve a repurchase agreement with Troy, Mich.-based manufacturer and distributor ArvinMeritor Inc., which supplies all the axles for American LaFrance’s emergency-vehicle and heavy-duty vocational vehicle lines.

    American LaFrance owes ArvinMeritor more than $1.2 million and currently has more axles in inventory than it needs for production in the near term, according to court documents.

    Under the proposed deal, Arvin would repurchase the axles already in American LaFrance’s possession for about 92 cents on the dollar, but they would remain at American LaFrance’s facilities. The emergency-vehicle manufacturer would buy them back during the next 12 months as it needed them.

    The agreement anticipates that American LaFrance will repurchase all the axles on hand by the end of the 12-month period. It also anticipates that Arvin will continue to supply unspecified new products to American LaFrance on a cash-on-order basis.

    As part of the deal, American LaFrance would agree to waive any challenge to claims Arvin had previously filed against the company.

    On a related note, South Carolina Electric & Gas Co. has filed an objection to a second motion filed by American LaFrance that would pre-empt the utility’s ability to alter, refuse or discontinue services to the manufacturer’s Summerville facility while it remains in bankruptcy, and that would establish procedures governing the utility’s relationship with American LaFrance outside of its normal billing and service procedures.

    If approved by the court, the motion would also mandate that SCE&G accept a security deposit from American LaFrance equal to its average utility use during a two-week period.

    SCE&G maintains that such a mandate would hardly protect its interests. In its objection the utility said that since June 1, 2007, American LaFrance was 30 days or more in arrears on one of its accounts with the provider, and that another of its accounts was discontinued in December.

    The utility claims it was owed $40,556.46 prior to American LaFrance’s bankruptcy declaration. Its objection to American LaFrance’s request does not spell out an alternative to what has been proposed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imafireman View Post
    We are one of the departments waiting patiently to see what is going to happen. We placed our order in late August. It would be nice to know whether or not our order was one of those they are talking about canceling. We ordered a 3000gallon Liberty tanker with a 750 gpm pump. I hope this all works out for everyone.

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    Well my opinion is if you can cancel your order. We are the proud owner of a ALF custom pumper with all kinds of problems. We recieved a letter stating the company that works on our truck, no matter if it is a warranty issue will not be doing work on it anymore. And even a few local companies will not touch it. Sooooo what happens now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dday05 View Post
    We recieved a letter stating the company that works on our truck, no matter if it is a warranty issue will not be doing work on it anymore. And even a few local companies will not touch it.
    It's likely your dealer has long since stopped being reimbursed by ALF for warranty work, and they don't feel led to do it for free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deputyhunter View Post
    i know that already. It says that in the documents, fire apparatus orders being canceled, about 30 of them

    The question was WHICH orders are they going to cancel?

    If you were one of those 30 departments that had a truck on order, wouldn't you want to know it was NOT going to be built?
    The decision depends on whether you have a performance bond, or pre-paid.

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    The cutting off the frame and axles doesn't sound right to me. I'm fairly sure that when our MM was being built they built the chassis frame and torque box in Ephrata, shipped it to the chassis/cab plant where the cab and drivetrain was mounted, then drove/piggy backed it, back to Ephrata to get in line. This may not be the same for rear mounts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Command6 View Post
    It's likely your dealer has long since stopped being reimbursed by ALF for warranty work, and they don't feel led to do it for free.

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    Yeah, we have only had to take our truck to like 4-5 different places to get it fixed due to the fact ALF will not pay them for warranty work or they would have to fight for it. So it's ok to spend a few hundred thousand dollars on a truck from them and have no one that will work on them?.

    So how long before that happens to everyone??

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    We now return to the program already in progress...
    http://www.charleston.net/news/2008/..._at_plan31172/
    "If it's stupid but it works... It ain't stupid."
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    That would be the Shell game at its best. Take care of the big guy and dump on the little guy. 10cents on the dollar. If I were an employee I would keep a close watch on this game. You maybe out and not know it yet.

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