View Poll Results: Is a radio Strap a safety problem for Firefighters?

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    Default Is A Radio Strap An Entanglement Issue?

    I work out here on the west coast, and have been wearing the FDNY style radio strap for about 1 year now. I LOVE it. It works well on fires AND medical calls.

    A few guys on my department are trying to get the straps BANNED, stating that they are an entanglement danger.....

    Any suggestions to argue my case? Have you ever heard of these being a problem for anyone.
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    If worn on the inside of the gear it won't get entangled in anything. period

    Do they honestly believe 11,000 firemen would wear these if they weren't safe and effective. We go to our share of fires and these aren't a safety issue in the least.

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    I would like one more option on the poll......."A radio strap COULD be an entanglement hazard."

    I have been wearing one for years. I wear mine all shift so I always have it with me. When I put mine gear on, I just leave it underneath my coat which eliminates the chances of it becoming an entanglement hazard. If you choose to wear it over your coat, I would suggest wearing it under your scba. this will help to keep it close to your body and less prone as an entanglement hazard.

    I sincerely hope your brothers really aren't trying to get them banned. The all or none mentality gains nothing. What works for some may not work for others (How often is that said on this board??? )

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    I wear the strap on the outside for MVA's, AFA's etc..
    If I am going to be wearing a pack, I put the radio in the radio pocket on my gear.
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    Under the coat. Even at jobs where you don't wear SCBA just watch the guys when the bend over and the radio spins around to the front. We have the extra strap and loop to clip them to a belt loop to prevent the radio from coming around front but its not an issue when worn under the turnout coat.

    Worn over the coat with SCBA I believe can increase entanglement issues, plus how many freaking strap will you have on while your seated in an SCBA seat in the truck? You'll be strapped up like some NASCRAP idiot. Maybe some rocket scientist here will invent a way to use the radio strap as a seatbelt, like they wanted with SCBA straps.

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    I normally am not into name-calling. However, what a bunch of putzes.

    I put mine on prior to donning my SCBA, that way the waist strap secures it. I think the SCBA poses more of an entaglement hazard (been there done that). My radio-strap has never been an issue. Plus, it puts the lapel mike into a position near your head which is invaluable, if you were to become entraped in building material.
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    I'm with the others. I wear mine either under the coat or under the SCBA depending on the call type, and have never had any problems.

    COULD it become an entanglment hazard? Sure, but if you look hard enough, everything on our gear could become a hazard. I hope these guys aren't successful in getting them banned!
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    under the coat. not a problem

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    I've seen them for sale in Adult Costume shops next to the leather masks with zippers over the mouth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnny46 View Post
    I've seen them for sale in Adult Costume shops next to the leather masks with zippers over the mouth.
    Do they give you a frequent shopper discount?
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnny46 View Post
    I've seen them for sale in Adult Costume shops next to the leather masks with zippers over the mouth.

    Interesting product placement...all the smut shops along 8th Ave have them next to the nipple-clamps and gag-balls!



    Seriously I don't know why anyone would wear it on the outside...wear it under the coat. I can't see a reason why not to.

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    Default Radio Straps

    Radio straps, in my opinion, like anything else, when used properly are a great tool. The FDNY radio straps, (see one at the link) http://www.emergencyresponderproduct...tylestrap.html
    are great to use for the following:
    It keeps your radio, which is basically a lifeline, where you know it will be. Ever have your radio fall out of your pocket and not realize it right away?
    Also, if you are a fire department that does other details such as building inspection or public relations, it keeps your radio where it belongs and it also gives a professional look. If you are a chauffeur/engineer, it is a great item to have as well. A suggestion would also be to have a anti-sway strap(see link) http://www.emergencyresponderproducts.com/nyrastcl.html
    These handy little items keep you from getting hit in the head with your radio when you lean forward or reach forward.

    I also recommend have the radio strap under your turnout gear. Placement of the remote mic is a matter of preference. I either attach it to my collar or I would bring the mic over the the top buckle of my turnout coat and attach it to the flap, again this is a matter of preference. I have also seen firefighters who actually would take the strap through the top snap and leave the mic attached to the strap. Again, your preference.

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    Radio straps are unquestionably an entanglement hazard.

    However, how you wear them can control the degree of risk they create. A radio/strap worn under your coat minimizes the risk but makes it difficult to adjust the radio. A radio/strap under the SCBA harness reduces the risk almost as much and leaves the radio accessible. A radio/strap on top of everything else is, IMHO, just an entanglement waiting to happen.

    Choose your own level of acceptable risk. Personally, I prefer to just put my radio in the radio pocket on my bunker coat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeputyMarshal View Post
    Choose your own level of acceptable risk. Personally, I prefer to just put my radio in the radio pocket on my bunker coat.
    How do you hear it at a job or quickly communicate on it with it tucked away in a pocket?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FFFRED View Post
    Seriously I don't know why anyone would wear it on the outside...wear it under the coat. I can't see a reason why not to.
    The only reason that I'll wear it on the outside (but under the SCBA) on routine emergencies is based on how we handle calls on the radio. The only thing that happens on dispatch is the call being dispatched. All of the radio traffic after marking enroute is handled on one of 10 tac channels, and sometimes an incident escalates and has to be moved from one tac to the next. I know, I know...trust me, this system was laid out long before I got hired.

    Because of that, we're constantly looking at the screen to ensure we're on the right tac. I find it easier to flip the pouch up and glance at it when it's outside the coat.

    The radio's we've been purchasing for the past year actually say over the speaker which tac your on when you turn the knob, so it's eliminated the need to constantly look at the screen, so some of those issues are being resolved.
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    I wear mine under the coat with the mic hanging out the front clipped to my mic holder on the lapel of my coat. I have never had a problem reaching the radio to change frequencies (channels) On the situation of some members trying to get them banned why not go halfway and have a SOP/SOG on how and where they are supposed to be worn?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FFFRED View Post
    Seriously I don't know why anyone would wear it on the outside...wear it under the coat. I can't see a reason why not to.

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    There you go again, trying to be the friggin' expert. I'll bet you didn't even wear your coat but 15 or 16 times last shift, did you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RRFD77 View Post
    I wear mine under the coat with the mic hanging out the front clipped to my mic holder on the lapel of my coat. I have never had a problem reaching the radio to change frequencies (channels) On the situation of some members trying to get them banned why not go halfway and have a SOP/SOG on how and where they are supposed to be worn?
    This is how everyone wears it around here. And the way that it was taught to us.
    Unless of course it is a medical, MVA, etc, then its just thrown over the coat.
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    Do the people that are saying a radio strap is an entaglment issue wear a Vulcan or similiar type box light? If they do why do they oppose the radio strap but not the light? I wear both on the outside of my coat under my SCBA.
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    I wear mine over my coat and under my SCBA. Always have...Always will.

    If I become entangled and die because of my radio strap, you guys are all welcome to come back and say; "See? I told you so!"
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    Thumbs up Radio Strap Entanglement

    Thanks for all of the feed back guys!

    I have some great arguments to plead the case of why we should keep them.

    I will keep this poll open for a few more months until we have another safety commitee meeting and bring some of your points forward.

    I don't know why so many west coast guys don't like them.
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    If they are pushing to ban radio straps, you should start one to ban flashlights carried on a strap. Force them to work in the dark and they won't be able to see your radio strap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MemphisE34a View Post
    If they are pushing to ban radio straps, you should start one to ban flashlights carried on a strap. Force them to work in the dark and they won't be able to see your radio strap.
    Hey. let's not stop there. Let's ban those lapel mics with the long cables as well. Hell, you can get those tangled too.

    And don't forget to roll up your pant legs before you ride your bike. That could get tangled in the chain.
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    "And don't forget to roll up your pant legs before you ride your bike. That could get tangled in the chain."

    I prefer to tuck the pant leg into the top of my boot!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cap6888 View Post
    "And don't forget to roll up your pant legs before you ride your bike. That could get tangled in the chain."

    I prefer to tuck the pant leg into the top of my boot!
    I prefer to tuck them into the socks.

    It holds the pant legs closer to your legs.
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