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    Question Rescue Truck

    We have been told by our chief that he is going to put in for a capital improvement request for a new heavy rescue truck to replace our tired '85 Ford 9000 with a Ranger body. We have been instructed by him to start looking at our options. The general discussion among has been to go with a custom cab and an 18ft walk around box. Much of the equipment we have on the truck is just as old and tired as she is. Some of the equipment like the Hurst tool and some of the airbags even out date the truck. We would like to build some repacement equipment into the bid. As of now I believe he was going to ask for a little over 500k. Just looking for some feedback as to which companies give you the most bang for your buck as far as rescue trucks. If anyone has spec'd or purchased a similar truck recently any info you have would be greatly appreciated.

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    We have a nieghboring dept. that is taking delivery of an SVI 16' walk around with a Spartan Big Easy (now the Metro). They bought the truck with a Trimo electric motor, 3 reels and tools. Plus a 120v aircompressor and reel. We have a lot of SVI's in our area, they are a very custom builder.

    I would most certainly take a look at SVI.

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    Default Salesmans Standpoint

    There are several factors you have to take into account. Depending upon the equipment you order you may be better off biuying it yourself. Let's take HRTs (hydraulic rescue tools) some manufacturers have protected territories and will not sell to an apparatus manufacturer direct. If you do get an item from an apparatus manufacturer, unless they sell that item on a regular basis I highly doubt it will be ready for use when the truck backs in the station. You will have to call the Amkus or Hurst guy anyhow. The builder will install it only. Now you can specify that it be ready for service but you will pay for it either way. If you buy something from brand X apparatus manufacturer and he buys the unit brand Y HRT manufacturer brand X is going to make money on it. If you skip the builder and just go to the HRT guy you are most likely going to pay less.

    Now more bang for your buck....

    Determine what you want

    Specify a general list

    Give it to a number of builders and see what and how much they have to say.

    Don't use a specific specification at first.

    When you find what you want then use that specification don't be bashful about using several spec to make your own. You probably won't be able to get everything but you should be able to come close. I can't offer everything but I will try.

    When and if you find nirvana let Firefighter 807 and FWD Buff know so they can meet there and sing coom-by-ya around the camp fire. Maybe they can sit in the Winnebago and eat Green Bay Bri with some cheese head hats on.
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    Do exactly what "Fyrtrks" said... Make it and "Request-For-Proposal" process if you're eligible. By doing so, you avoid going with the lowest bidder, like in a true "Bid" process. Good luck and any other questions on what you should ask for for the spec... ask away!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyrtrks View Post

    Give it to a number of builders and see what and how much they have to say.

    Don't use a specific specification at first.

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    if you use a "certain manufacturer" ... they like "bid rig" specs. Be careful. I'm sure you can figure out whom I'm talking about. It happened to us. Just be wiser than the average. Don't get sucked into a bunch "hoopla" of cool gadgets.

    Ask yourself this... Would you buy the first car you see at a dealership? It takes many many months to plan and then several more to finish off the specs. Prepare for at least a year of planning and research before opening up for "RFP" or a "Bid".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyrtrks View Post
    When and if you find nirvana let Firefighter 807 and FWD Buff know so they can meet there and sing coom-by-ya around the camp fire. Maybe they can sit in the Winnebago and eat Green Bay Bri with some cheese head hats on.
    Idiot807 won't show unless you buy a Piece. I, on the otherhand, would come out and sing no matter what you buy!
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    Default A truck specced to last 22 years!

    If your last truck lasted 22 years, I guess you had better spec as many long lasting components as possible to try to make sure the next one will give as good service. In your spare time it is worth checking out different options on component suppliers, rather than just taking the manufacturer's recommended components. For example, http://www.ziamatic.com;www.pactoolm....gsfslides.com
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    Quote Originally Posted by bova41 View Post
    We have been told by our chief that he is going to put in for a capital improvement request for a new heavy rescue truck to replace our tired '85 Ford 9000 with a Ranger body. We have been instructed by him to start looking at our options. The general discussion among has been to go with a custom cab and an 18ft walk around box. Much of the equipment we have on the truck is just as old and tired as she is. Some of the equipment like the Hurst tool and some of the airbags even out date the truck. We would like to build some repacement equipment into the bid. As of now I believe he was going to ask for a little over 500k. Just looking for some feedback as to which companies give you the most bang for your buck as far as rescue trucks. If anyone has spec'd or purchased a similar truck recently any info you have would be greatly appreciated.

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    Default Another truck to last 22 years

    I guess you had better spec your truck against the possibility that the new one will also have to last 22 years (phenomenal!). It will be worth your while yourself and your team seacrhing out quality component suppliers from drawer slides through to door handles. The FDIC website is excellent for this even if you are not going to the show.

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    I am on a small vol. dept and we just purchased a 17' walk around rescue. It was a long painful process trying to secure financing from the city leaders. We worked with many vendors and when it cam down to it, we got a custom truck, that left us room for growth and could not be happier. The truck we bought came from Marion Body Works. They are the specialists when it comes to rescues and squads. We bought an all aluminum body on a Big Easy chasis and the salesman came to our dept and went through all of our gear so that we could then design the truck to meet our needs. We have a paper mill and door manufacturer in town. We plan on running this truck for 25+ years. For the money you couldn't work with a better company.

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    Since it looks like money will be no problem, get as large of a PTO (shaft or hydraulic) generator as you can, a light tower, and plenty of electric cord reels.

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    Just figuring, I would say your breakdown would be 150,000 for loose equipment and 350,000 for the truck?

    You can save thousands of dollars by separating the truck and equipment purchases. This is more trouble but allows you to get more equipment fir your money and also get the brands you want.

    In talking with several builders, most would just as soon not have to deal with loose equipment.

    I commend your process thus far. So many new trucks are placed in service with either no or antiquated equipment. One of the things that confounds me is to see a new truck that has a chrome bell on the bumper and nozzles that were robbed off a 1970's truck. The phrase "All show, no go" comes to mind.

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    Here's what my dept purchased a few years ago:

    http://www.customfire.com/d_specials...=430644b752ede

    The Sterling is a good solid chassis for those on a smaller budget. The turning radius is pretty good also. However, if we could do this one again, I'd get it on a Metro Star or Gladiator Chassis. We went with a Metro Star on the engine we received last year and we love the chassis.

    Also, if you are a dept which has rural or even semi rural areas, spend the money on a light tower. We have a Wil Burt on the rescue and a Command Light on the engine. I prefer the WB but they both have their benefits.

    I recommend the gool ol reflective striping and a traffic directional bar also. Yep, paint the rear end with some funky ugly chevrons and pray no one hits you. We chevroned our engine and tanker and they both stick out like sore thumbs, even without the LED's lit up!!!!

    Some other things we did on the engine: a transverse comp for backboards, cord reels on BOTH sides of the body, hydralic ladder rack, on spot chains (Since we're in Minnesnowta), portable 750W lights.

    The resuce was the first time I was on an apparatus committee and I learned alot from the rescue to the engine. Some of the engine specs would have made the rescue a friendlier apparatus. Here's link to the engine also:

    http://www.customfire.com/d_pumper.php?id=467032e713316

    We purchased loose goods SEPERATE from the engine (hoses, hand tools, fans, saws, etc.) and saved 7-10G. Take the time and look into this!!

    Good luck with your purchase and be safe!!!!
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    Thanks for all of the great info. But sounds like it is going to be a non issue. Due to current economic perdictions the fine town has decided to make our 22 year old rescue last 25 years. At least we'll have plenty of time to spec it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bova41 View Post
    Thanks for all of the great info. But sounds like it is going to be a non issue. Due to current economic perdictions the fine town has decided to make our 22 year old rescue last 25 years. At least we'll have plenty of time to spec it out.
    Take a look at ( RESCUE 1 ) they build most of there rigs on Spartan chassis and sell at a very good price !

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    Default Peirce

    I have seen a good deal of "peirce quantums" put into use in the city and they generally work pretty well. especially so in Boston! I hope that helps.

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