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    Smile Fun thing to do

    if anyone have a good idea for training for explores with any live fire exercises please let me know Thanks

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    Keep it simple and basic. Starting off with the easy stuff.
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    Default Just an Idea......

    Look up Mock Disasters in the search. It may give you some ideas. Like said above....Keep it simple and basic. Starting off with easy stuff.
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    What ^^^^^^he^^^^^^ said.
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    Smile hey

    the way we train our junior witch is what i am is we find find cars and that are completly gutted or w/e you can find get some nice dry wood light it and let them go on what they know all packed up and everything while keeping them a safe distance away and then we will show them the right way if ne of them are doing it wrong so at least they get to feel some sort of heat and also can practice how to put a fire out while keeping it safe.

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    The one peice of advice I can give for this is LOTS OF HANDS ON. Dont keep everyone in a classroom watching Power Point Lectures..give them the basics and then take em out and have em do it...best way to learn..and it keeps it fun...I am a HUGE advocate for Hands on...

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    And what ^^^he^^^ said too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erfdlieutenant View Post
    if anyone have a good idea for training for explores with any live fire exercises please let me know Thanks
    Unless they are 18, the only "live fire" would/should be some extinguisher work. And even then only if there experienced people there too.

    To prepare for live fire..

    placement of ladders
    tool ID
    hose lays
    air pack knowledge
    building construction

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    Quote Originally Posted by Resq1scnd2none View Post
    Unless they are 18, the only "live fire" would/should be some extinguisher work. And even then only if there experienced people there too.
    Maybe where you live, but explorers are allowed to participate in live burns and simulators such as rollover simulators as long as they follow the NFPA regs and it is TRAINING.

    Our post has gone through some of it and everyone had a great time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RFRDxplorer View Post
    Maybe where you live, but explorers are allowed to participate in live burns and simulators such as rollover simulators as long as they follow the NFPA regs and it is TRAINING.

    Our post has gone through some of it and everyone had a great time.
    I am pretty sure thats how it is at our deparment, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RFRDxplorer View Post
    Maybe where you live, but explorers are allowed to participate in live burns and simulators such as rollover simulators as long as they follow the NFPA regs and it is TRAINING.

    Our post has gone through some of it and everyone had a great time.
    Now we all know that firefighting is dangerous. So, lets say I wouldn't be called into court because an under 18 youth was injured.


    Look here:

    http://www.dol.gov/compliance/guide/childlbr.htm

    and here:

    http://www.dol.gov/dol/topic/youthla...ardousjobs.htm

    and how many on this list do firefghters do in one way or another?

    http://www.dol.gov/dol/allcfr/Title_.../Subpart_E.htm

    To sum it up? Book learnin' 'fore you start earnin'!
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    Lookie here--
    http://s116.photobucket.com/albums/o...saster%202007/
    Those pictures are included here-


    And at the National Fire Explorer Conference, there was a class we could take that was LIVE FIRE (ventilation, searches, and attack).
    Seen here-
    http://s116.photobucket.com/albums/o...e%20Institute/

    AND look here-
    http://www.learning-for-life.org/exp...ire/index.html
    "Exceptions: Using an official training facility, the use of aerial ladders with the appropriate safety equipment, and entering a controlled burn building is approved.".

    Here-
    http://s116.photobucket.com/albums/o...er%20Pictures/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Resq1scnd2none View Post
    Now we all know that firefighting is dangerous. So, lets say I wouldn't be called into court because an under 18 youth was injured.


    Look here:

    http://www.dol.gov/compliance/guide/childlbr.htm

    and here:

    http://www.dol.gov/dol/topic/youthla...ardousjobs.htm

    and how many on this list do firefghters do in one way or another?

    http://www.dol.gov/dol/allcfr/Title_.../Subpart_E.htm

    To sum it up? Book learnin' 'fore you start earnin'!
    First of all...........look at the above post.


    Second of all.................we do have "book learnin" as we train with the Firefighter I curriculum.
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    thank you for all your ideas they will be looked at in our post we are not to be put in to a live fire situation only smoke house filled with fake smoke is the closest we get

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erfdlieutenant View Post
    thank you for all your ideas they will be looked at in our post we are not to be put in to a live fire situation only smoke house filled with fake smoke is the closest we get

    Sorry..by your first post it sounded like you did. Anyway, do some ladder work...I see "regular firefighters that couldn't throw and foot a ladder if their life depended on it!

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    Cool my juniors love it

    in my dept the jr's are allowed to everything the seniors do in training.

    i am the jr chief and with my juniors i like tons of hands on and interacting with the seniors b/c a lot of the juniors will become 18 soon and then be a senior so e need to be all together.

    some fun trainings we have done that go over well are.
    ~busted hose
    ~basic hose handling
    ~we smoke out our bay area and do search and rescue
    ~we quiz eachother on whats on each of the trucks
    --like for example i would say 'ok bob go get me the hydrant wrench
    ------off of 611' and then bob would go get it. and i would ask to describe --------where it was.
    ~they like when we got to used the extracation tools


    hope this helps.

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    I agree with Resq. Around here, explorers and live fire do not go together.
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    I don't mind fire rolling over my head. I just don't like it rolling UNDER my a**.

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    We like to play 3-6 man volleyball or basketball with SCBA & PPE on. When switching in players they must trade SCBA before entering court. Only active players may switch tanks. good luck.
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    OSHA here prohibits those under 18 from breathing on an SCBA so any live fire has to be outside.
    Even the burger-flippers at McDonald's probably have some McWackers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nmfire View Post
    OSHA here prohibits those under 18 from breathing on an SCBA so any live fire has to be outside.
    OSHA is a federal standard. If your state has more stringent standards it isnt OHSA. OSHA does not in itself prevent under 18 from using an SCBA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Resq1scnd2none View Post
    Now we all know that firefighting is dangerous. So, lets say I wouldn't be called into court because an under 18 youth was injured.


    Look here:

    http://www.dol.gov/compliance/guide/childlbr.htm

    and here:

    http://www.dol.gov/dol/topic/youthla...ardousjobs.htm

    and how many on this list do firefghters do in one way or another?

    http://www.dol.gov/dol/allcfr/Title_.../Subpart_E.htm

    To sum it up? Book learnin' 'fore you start earnin'!
    O.K. "I wouldn't be called into court because an under 18 youth was injured." - There I said it - make you feel any better now?

    The truth of the matter is that you may ". . . be called into court" at any time, by anyone, for anything - provided that person has the time to fill out the proper paperwork and the cash to cover the filing fees with the court.

    Where these Laws (and your adherence to them) come in to play is not in keeping you out of court but rather on the outcome of your visit.

    That being said, you should understand that the information you posted is all well and good; however it is not by any stretch the entire picture or final word on the subject.

    Please consider the following:

    The occupation of Firefighting has been declared hazardous by the Commissioner of Labor and Industry pertaining to Teenagers.

    Code of Virginia Labor and Employment Law reads:

    40.1-79.1. Exemptions from chapter generally; local ordinance authorizing participation in volunteer fire company activities.

    A. Any county, city or town may authorize by ordinance any person residing anywhere in the Commonwealth, aged 16 years or older, who is a member of a volunteer fire company within such county, city, or town with parental or guardian approval, (i) to seek certification under National Fire Protection Association 1001, level one, firefighter standards, as administered by the Department of Fire Programs; and (ii) to work with or participate fully in all activities of such volunteer fire company, provided such person has attained certification under National Fire Protection Association 1001, level one, firefighter standards, as administered by the Department of Fire Programs.

    B. Any trainer or instructor of such persons mentioned in subsection A of this section and any member of a paid or volunteer fire company who supervises any such persons shall be exempt from the provisions of 40.1-103, provided that the provisions of 40.1-100 have not been violated, when engaged in activities of a volunteer fire company, and provided that the volunteer fire company or the governing body of such county, city or town has purchased insurance which provides coverage for injuries to or the death of such persons in their performance of activities under this section.

    Code of Virginia 40.1-103 Cruelty and injuries to children states;

    It shall be unlawful for any person employing or having custody of any child willfully or negligently to cause or permit the life of such child to be endangered or the health of such child to be injured, or willfully or negligently to cause or permit such child to be placed in a situation that its life, health or morals may be endangered, or to cause or permit such to be overworked, tortured, tormented, mutilated, beaten or cruelly treated. Any person violating this section shall be guilty of a Class 6 felony.

    Policy

    Effective July 1st 2004, VDFP shall enforce the following policy for all Junior Firefighters (16/17 years of age) attending VDFP programs.

    Local jurisdiction shall have adopted an ordinance consistent with Code 40.1-79.1.
    The Junior Fire fighter shall reside in the Commonwealth of Virginia . Evidence of residency shall be provided by the junior fire fighter.
    The Junior Fire fighter shall present a letter (original, not a copy) of parental (or legal guardian) consent that permits Junior Fire fighter participation.
    The Junior Fire fighter shall have a copy of the locality/department current liability insurance for Junior Firefighters.
    Junior Firefighters attending all other VDFP training shall meet the above policy. To progress in VDFP training, the Junior Firefighter must be certified NFPA 1001 Firefighter Level I. All documentation will be submitted to, and retained by, VDFP or authorized instructor prior to commencement of training.
    Source: http://www.vafire.com/training/opera...rFFPolicy.html

    And since it's not given on the page - if you were curious about the contents of 40.1-100 - here you go (Bolding added by me for emphasis.)

    40.1-100. Certain employment prohibited or limited.

    A. No child under 18 years of age shall be employed, permitted or suffered to work:

    1. In any mine, quarry, tunnel, underground scaffolding work; in or about any plant or establishment manufacturing or storing explosives or articles containing explosive components; in any occupation involving exposure to radioactive substances or to ionizing radiations including X-ray equipment;

    2. At operating or assisting to operate any grinding, abrasive, polishing or buffing machine, any power-driven metal forming, punching or shearing machine, power-driven bakery machine, power-driven paper products machine, any circular saw, band saw or guillotine shear, or any power-driven woodworking machine;

    3. In oiling or assisting in oiling, wiping and cleaning any such machinery;

    4. In any capacity in preparing any composition in which dangerous or poisonous chemicals are used;

    5. In any capacity in the manufacturing of paints, colors, white lead, or brick tile or kindred products, or in any place where goods of alcoholic content are manufactured, bottled, or sold for consumption on the premises except in places (i) licensed pursuant to subdivision 5 of 4.1-207, provided that a child employed at the premises shall not serve or dispense in any manner alcoholic beverages or (ii) where the sale of alcoholic beverages is merely incidental to the main business actually conducted, or to deliver alcoholic goods;

    6. In any capacity in or about excavation, demolition, roofing, wrecking or shipbreaking operations;

    7. As a driver or a helper on a truck or commercial vehicle of more than two axles. The provisions of this paragraph shall not apply to the drivers of school buses;

    8. In logging or sawmilling, or in any lath mill, shingle mill or cooperage-stock mill, or in any occupation involving slaughtering, meatpacking, processing or rendering;

    9. In any occupation determined and declared hazardous by rules and regulations promulgated by the Commissioner of Labor and Industry, except as otherwise provided in subsection D.

    Notwithstanding the provisions of this section, children 16 years of age or older who are serving a voluntary apprenticeship as provided in Chapter 6 ( 40.1-117 et seq.) of this title may be employed in any occupation in accordance with rules and regulations promulgated by the Commissioner.

    B. Except as part of a regular work-training program in accordance with 40.1-88 and 40.1-89, no child under 16 years of age shall be employed, permitted or suffered to work:

    1. In any manufacturing or mechanical establishment, in any commercial cannery; in the operation of any automatic passenger or freight elevator; in any dance studio; or in any hospital, nursing home, clinic, or other establishment providing care for resident patients as a laboratory helper, therapist, orderly, or nurse's aide; in the service of any veterinarian while treating farm animals or horses; in any warehouse; in processing work in any laundry or dry cleaning establishment; in any undertaking establishment or funeral home; in any curb service restaurant, in hotel and motel room service; in any brick, coal or lumber yard or ice plant or in ushering in theaters. Children 14 years of age or more may be engaged in office work of a clerical nature in bona fide office rooms in the above types of establishments.

    2. In any scaffolding work or construction trade; or in any outdoor theater, cabaret, carnival, fair, floor show, pool hall, club, or roadhouse; or as a lifeguard at a beach.

    C. Children 14 years of age or more may be employed by dry cleaning or laundry establishments in branch stores where no processing is done on the premises, and in hospitals, nursing homes, and clinics where they may be engaged in kitchen work, tray service or room and hall cleaning. Children 14 years of age or more may be employed in bowling alleys completely equipped with automatic pin setters, but not in or about such machines, and in soda fountains, restaurants and hotel and motel food service departments. Children 14 years of age or more may work as gatekeepers and in concessions at swimming pools and may be employed by concessionaires operating on beaches where their duties and work pertain to the handling and distribution of beach chairs, umbrellas, floats and other similar or related beach equipment.

    D. Notwithstanding any other provision of this chapter:

    1. Children aged 16 years or older employed on farms, in gardens or in orchards may operate, assist in operating, or otherwise perform work involving a truck, excluding a tractor trailer, or farm vehicle as defined in 46.2-1099, in their employment;

    2. Children aged 14 years or older employed on farms, in gardens or in orchards may perform work as a helper on a truck or commercial vehicle in their employment, while engaged in such work exclusively on a farm, in a garden or in an orchard;

    3. Children aged 16 years or older may participate in all activities of a volunteer fire company; however, any such child shall not enter a burning structure or a structure which contains burning materials prior to obtaining certification under National Fire Protection Association 1001, level one, fire fighter standards, pursuant to the provisions of clause (i) of subsection A of 40.1-79.1, except where entry into a structure that contains burning materials is during training necessary to attain certification under National Fire Protection Association 1001, level one, firefighter standards, as administered by the Department of Fire Programs.
    Source: http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...0+cod+40.1-100


    What all this really means is that it is quite legal & proper for persons aged 16 & 17 to train & operate in live fire training as well as bona-fide suppression operations (i.e. "fire calls") within the Commonwealth of Virginia - provided they have valid insurance, Parental (or Guardian) permission, and valid instruction & certification in what is commonly called "Firefighter I"

    Regulations for your state may (and in fact probably do) vary.

    My advice to the Original Poster - check your own states requirements - then make sure you meet them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by firemanguppie View Post
    the way we train our junior witch is what i am is we find find cars and that are completly gutted or w/e you can find get some nice dry wood light it and let them go on what they know all packed up and everything while keeping them a safe distance away and then we will show them the right way if ne of them are doing it wrong so at least they get to feel some sort of heat and also can practice how to put a fire out while keeping it safe.
    WOW!!!! sounds great!!!!! Stick an untrained, unknowing kid into a situation hes never been in before, where there is still danger and let him go to town. And you wait for them to screw up before you teach them...

    sounds like you should teach them first!!!
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    We do car fires for the explorers, but before hand we teach the explorers the proper way to approach the vehicle and all of the other fun stuff that is associated with car fires.
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