View Poll Results: Are your Chiefs elected or appointed

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    Your Volunteer Chiefs, are they elected or appointed?
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    Our vollies don't get above the rank of volunteer company captain. Our Chiefs are full-time and appointed by the governing body by resume and interview.
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    The Chief is appointed by the VFD Board of Directors. This is a career Chief position. Reappointed annually.
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    Right now the membership votes on the Chief. But, that may change. I guess the "City" may let us vote on it and either take our recommendation or appoint a chief. We are a volunteer dept with the only compensation being a retirement on a sliding scale.

    I was a volunteer, or callman as some called it, with a dept in Ct which was structured similar to what DeputyMarshal stated. We had a Captain and 3 Lt's on the "volunteer" side and the "paid" side consisted of 3 Captains, Chief, and Deputy Chief/Fire Marshal, as well as firefighters.

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    We have 5 VFD's within the county. Each VFD chief is elected by the membership, and the chief appoints the officers.

    The county chief and assistant chief are county employees, hired by the county government, based on recommendation & input from the volunteer chiefs.
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    Nominated then voted on by the membership. Then voted on at town meeting.

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    In our dept. the Chief is apppointed by the trustees. Then the Chief appoints the officers. It is not a bad idea but the Chief has been allowed to run with to much power and is making officership decisions on the basis of friendships and a## kissing and making to many changes at his own whim. The trustees at this time are allowing him to do it and that is a bad thing. Any ideas on a correct way to make changes here???

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    Any ideas on a correct way to make changes here???
    Simple. Set standards and requirements and hold to them. It's that simple.
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    All of our Fire Line Officers are elected by the membership. To be eligible to vote you must have made 10% of the fire calls and 6 meetings.
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    The cheif along with the rest of the officers are nominated and then voted on by the membership every year. The 7 fire depts. and 2 Rescue Squads in my county elect their officers in this manner.

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    The Chief is appointed by the board. From that point, the Chief recommends the other positions, who are subsequntly appointed by the board.

    We do have job descriptions defining the requirements for each position. The only time any flexibility is even considered is when no one meets the qualifications, but they can achieve the requirement within a set time. If they don't, we do it again.

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    We elect the Chief, Assistant Chief and two Deputy Chiefs. All other line officers are appointed by those chiefs. The county sets standards for the chiefs and lower line officers.

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    Our Chiefs and Deputy's are voted by the membership. The Chiefs elect their Captains.
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    Our chief is voted on by the members. Only people eligable to be chief are the 2 district chiefs or anyone who has previously been a chief officer in the fire service. Then it has to be approved by city council. District chiefs are voted by the member ship from eligable captains. Captains and Lieutenants have to take a test to be officers. There are set training requirements and years of experience for each position also.
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    Elected by the members. When the volunteers first started there was concern that everyone would their best friend, and not someone qualified. So we have quals that someone has to meet in order to be considered for chief before the membership can vote on them.

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    Elected, however there is the pre-req of NFPA Officer II, 3 years as a line officer and 5 years with the Department.
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    Our officers are all elected but must meet participation requirements and training requirements to be eligible. The chief and officers are confirmed by the township trustee after the election.

    In my short tenure on the dept, it seems to work. The discussions prior to the vote were all about qualifications of each candidate as presented by the elections committee. It didn't seem like it was a popularity contest or cliques.

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    As Chief, I was appointed by our City Manager and City Council. Then, all of our officers from LT to ASST. CHIEF apply by resume. The process is apply, chief's review, written standards test, and then a review board of 3 FF's. For Lt. and Captain the board is internal members. For Major and Asst. Chief the review board is made up of chiefs from neighboring departments. If only one person applies, we have the right to accept/decline them based on qualifications of lack thereof. This helps with the favoritism issue, most times.

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    Well,

    My Chief was Elected by the body of the Department.. However he is Chief Until He resigns, retires or is voted out by 3/4 of the body vote, also the chief apoints line officers yearly

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    Anyone who's actions have a significant potential to impact the organizations structure, operations, or policy should answer to those who must answer to the public. If you have a publicly elected board of trustees, they should be responsible for final appointment of the Chief and any other officer with significant responsibility. If that person screws up or is negligent in their duties the publicly elected officials are the ones held ultimately accountable and thus should have the control. No one should be picked by a "popularity vote" of the members. These chief officers must often make tough decisions that will make them unpopular, and they can not effectively lead if their ability to do the job depends on their popularity.

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    All line officers are elected by the body yearly, and may hold their position for up to 4 years (if re-elected each year).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bones42 View Post
    Simple. Set standards and requirements and hold to them. It's that simple.
    That doesnt seem to help either...we have to get through the Chief first. Any other suggestions from anyone?? We have the same identical issues..our Chief appoints his favorite a--kissers too...basically he likes to have "yes-men" under him. This frustrates us beyond belief. The one time that we actually had an officer with actual knowledge, he was voted out by the Chief! It was sad.

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    Your Chief answers to someone. Whether it's District commissioners, a Mayor and Council, something. Set up a meeting with them and the Chief. Explain your concerns.

    Don't make it a personal attack against the Chief, make it as betterment of your Department.
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    Its worth a shot, but even our township trustees cant see what he is really like. Our governing group, township trustees, is comprised of all men with no experience in the fire service. They not only turn a blind eye to the Chief but also dont see why we as members would want to spend monies on ways to improve our service to our community. Their theory is 'if it isnt broke why change it', fortunately we are slowly making them understand why the money needs spent, for the safety of our members and the community. Sure is slow going though. Politics...
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