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    My supervisor just found out are Quint is overwight by 3,000lbs. When he advised the Chief of the department he stated "just be cautious". I believe there is something by the US Transportation Authority but cant't find it. If anyone has anything they could help out please shoot me back something. We plan on bring this up at the next board meeting.

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    I don't have anything formal, but a little real life experience.

    I know a guy that delivers fire apparatus. Most apparatus, particularly quint type stuff is overweight. I've seen a 100 ft aerial on three axles that weighs 76,000 lbs.

    Anyway he gets stopped by a DOT guy in the midwest. The DOT guy puts the scales on the truck, and says you can't go anywhere. The thing is way overweight. The guys says, its a fire truck. The DOT guy asks him where he is taking it. He says that he is taking it to departments in the area as a "show model". The DOT guy says it is not fire truck because it is a demo and writes him tickets for 750+ dollars. The DOT guy said that if he were delivering to a department it was classified as a fire truck, and exempt from weight limits / requirements.

    The manufacturer picked up the fine. I saw the ticket, I know its legit. However, I don't know if it was an overzealous DOT guy or the rest of the story. If this were regularly enforced there wouldn't be tradeshows with apparatus exhibits?

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    Your state may have exemptions for fire apparatus. I know Missouri allows fire apparatus to be overweight and/or overlength.

    I won't say it's smart, but it's on the books.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geinandputitout View Post
    Anyway he gets stopped by a DOT guy in the midwest. The DOT guy puts the scales on the truck, and says you can't go anywhere. The thing is way overweight. The guys says, its a fire truck. The DOT guy asks him where he is taking it. He says that he is taking it to departments in the area as a "show model". The DOT guy says it is not fire truck because it is a demo and writes him tickets for 750+ dollars. The DOT guy said that if he were delivering to a department it was classified as a fire truck, and exempt from weight limits / requirements.

    WOW that is ridiculous.

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    should have done some better research or the company screwed you...

    easy way to reduce the 3000lbs....

    quints, which are worthless anyway , typically have 350 gallon tanks...

    just drive around with it empty...

    350*8.2=2870. Most of your problem solved...





    research what you bought and what you got. If you spec'ed out a certain truck with a certain weight and it doesnt match, the manufacturer owes you
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    oh, it's just retaining water.

    drain the tank, problem solved
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    Exclamation I've been where you are

    Our brush truck has always been overweight and I've been in a few hairy situations trying to stop it on short notice. One shift, we had it weighed and brought a copy of the print out from the scales to the chief. We were told that DOT rules didn't apply to fire apparatus. I've wondered aloud if a judge or jury would think the same thing if we're involved in an accident with that rig.

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    You have to check your state regs, as there can be a myriad of exemptions for fire apparatus.

    Up here, we can apply for a term overweight permit for fire apparatus up to 10% in excess of tire capacity, and they are usually approved without an issue.

    I suspect there could always be a liability issue if your state had a similar process in place, but it was not utilized by the dept.
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    Is the truck overweight for the stated GVWR or just the local weight regs? I have driven, delivered and demo'ed many aerials that were overweight for the state regs but were well within the GVWR as designed by the builder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ha11igan View Post
    WOW that is ridiculous.
    Actually it's not rediculous. If it is not official property of a FD or an AHJ, it is a commercial vehicle, within commerce. Check out this same thread down in the engineering forums.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ha11igan View Post
    WOW that is ridiculous.
    Actually, it's not.

    The Massachusetts Fire Academy has 5 pumpers, two aerials and a tanker.

    In the drill yard, we call them "fire apparatus".

    The minute they go off the property, they become "training vehicles", subject to DOT rules and regs and require a CDL to operate.
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    Gonz.....So you're saying that your dept requires a CDL of all of its drivers?

    Under a lot of rules or whatever, you guys seem to think that fire apparatus change type during certain circumstances??? This is rediculous.....So, is it a parade truck in a parade? What happens when they have to go to a dealer for repair? And what did it take for someone to get puleed over? Who pulss over fire rigs? Come on.......

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    My FD doesn't.

    The Academy does, and only for Academy apparatus if the truck is going to be driven off of the property.

    Our rigs are registered as emergency vehicles.

    A dealer driving from point A to point B and beyond to show a truck isn't an emergency vehicle... he's a salesman going out for a test drive with prospective clients.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo View Post
    Actually, it's not.

    The Massachusetts Fire Academy has 5 pumpers, two aerials and a tanker.

    In the drill yerd, we call them "fire apparatus".

    The minute they go off the property, they become "training vehicles", subject to DOT rules and regs and require a CDL to operate.

    Which is ridiculous.

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    Over which weight? The states weight of the trucks GVW? I don't think exceeding the truck's GVW is a good idea whether it is allowed or not.
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