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    Default Best and Worst of Engine Co. Tactics

    Brothers:

    I'm looking for photos and/or videos showing engine company operations - the good, the bad and even the ugly.

    You know what they say..."The fire goes as well as the first line goes..."

    Thanks


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    who cares about engine ops its all about truck work!

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    Seeing that the primary mission of the fire service is life safety, and seeing that truck company operations address this life safety issue, I would have to concur: it really IS all about truck work!

    However, it can't hurt to do some training on fireground support operations (ie Engine company Operations). After all, a good engine crew helps the truck crew achieve their mission.

    There have been a number of videos posted on these forums that show good and bad engine company operations, but I'm too lazy to look for them right now.

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    Default Engine work "support"operations!?

    I'm not looking for a debate, just good pics and videos to share with others but .....

    To paraphrase Andy Fredericks: More lives are saved by an aggressive and properly placed hoseline than any other tactic.

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    As much as it pains me, I beg to differ. The back bone of the fire service is, and has always been the engine company. No matter how many ladders you throw, how many holes you cut, however much ceiling you pull, how many searches you conduct, the fire (if it is of any significance)will not go out with out the engine. I would love to see you die hard truckies swat the fire out with your axes, hooks, and halligans. Remember the goal of the fire service is the preservation of life and property, and in the case of a building fire, the threats to life go away when the fire is extinguished. They can even vent hydraulically.

    That being said, what kind of operations are you looking for? hoseline advancement? Exterior Ops? Laying out/ Leading Off? There is a lot more to engine ops than opening a bail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BScott View Post
    Brothers:

    I'm looking for photos and/or videos showing engine company operations - the good, the bad and even the ugly.

    You know what they say..."The fire goes as well as the first line goes..."

    Thanks
    Good luck, you see how its already going.

    If you email me and explain your objectives and what you are looking for the info for, I will send you photos. I have a bunch. mg0178@yahoo.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by bk101484 View Post
    That being said, what kind of operations are you looking for? hoseline advancement? Exterior Ops? Laying out/ Leading Off? There is a lot more to engine ops than opening a bail.
    I agree. I'm looking for pics/videos demonstrating the best and worst in the following areas:
    • Apparatus placement
    • Hand line and stream selection/placement
    • Critical Flow
    • Positions/Positioning on the line
    • Hand line management
    • Storing hose
    • Communication between members
    • Coordination between companies
    • Use of LDH
    • Master Streams
    • Hallway Movement

    Thanks in advance for your assistance brothers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BScott View Post
    I agree. I'm looking for pics/videos demonstrating the best and worst in the following areas:
    • Apparatus placement
    • Hand line and stream selection/placement
    • Critical Flow
    • Positions/Positioning on the line
    • Hand line management
    • Storing hose
    • Communication between members
    • Coordination between companies
    • Use of LDH
    • Master Streams
    • Hallway Movement

    Thanks in advance for your assistance brothers.
    Search youtube, you'll find tons of videos of the good, the bad and the ugly for most of what you're looking for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingHippo View Post
    Seeing that the primary mission of the fire service is life safety, and seeing that truck company operations address this life safety issue, I would have to concur: it really IS all about truck work!

    However, it can't hurt to do some training on fireground support operations (ie Engine company Operations). After all, a good engine crew helps the truck crew achieve their mission.

    There have been a number of videos posted on these forums that show good and bad engine company operations, but I'm too lazy to look for them right now.
    What in Gods name are you talking about? I really hope you are f*cking joking.
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    relax NYC I think that was sarcasm!! I'm a truckie and any good truckie knows the importance of the engine and how their operations are going to effect what we as truckies are going to do or where we are going to put ourselves! AND any good engine man knows how important the truck is to their operations as it relates to how easy or difficult their push is going to be!

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    Quote Originally Posted by firefiftyfive View Post
    relax NYC I think that was sarcasm!! I'm a truckie and any good truckie knows the importance of the engine and how their operations are going to effect what we as truckies are going to do or where we are going to put ourselves! AND any good engine man knows how important the truck is to their operations as it relates to how easy or difficult their push is going to be!
    Sometimes you cant tell around here...
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    Sorry, sometimes sarcasm doesn't translate well onto the computer screen.

    (Just got detailed to an engine, having a hard time dealing with it)

    But, still:


    Back on topic: Have you checked firenuggets.com?

    Pages of photos: http://www.firenuggets.com/firepicsindex.htm
    Tons of great articles: http://www.firenuggets.com/fredericks.htm

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    Why do truckies cut holes in the roof?





























    So they can look in the building and watch the real firemen...



    Old joke, but still makes me laugh.
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    I'm looking for photos and/or videos showing engine company operations - the good, the bad and even the ugly.
    Huuuuberrrrrrt!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingHippo View Post
    Seeing that the primary mission of the fire service is life safety, and seeing that truck company operations address this life safety issue, I would have to concur: it really IS all about truck work!

    However, it can't hurt to do some training on fireground support operations (ie Engine company Operations). After all, a good engine crew helps the truck crew achieve their mission.

    There have been a number of videos posted on these forums that show good and bad engine company operations, but I'm too lazy to look for them right now.
    Seems to me the best way to protect life is to put out the fire.

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    My GOD!

    A facetious remark is made, and y'all get your panties in a bunch?!
    How about helping out the OP, and not arguing like blithering idiots?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BLSboy View Post
    My GOD!

    A facetious remark is made, and y'all get your panties in a bunch?!
    How about helping out the OP, and not arguing like blithering idiots?!
    Umm excuse me? Im not sure who you were referring to, but Your post is much worse than ANY others in this thread. Instead of calling people names, (and being hypocritical in the process), maybe you should have done what you asked of everyone else and helped out the thread starter.


    P.S. Considering the types and quality of posts around here lately, it wouldnt surprise me in the least if someone had posted something like previous posts, and been dead serious about it.

    Edit: I noticed that you did post a link to some videos, so I apologize for the statement about helping out the thread starter. The rest of my post stands, however.
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    There have been several posts with links to FE, but try the website www.fireengineeringboks.com, specifically for any and all FE publications. The "Bread and Butter" operations videos are all available on DVD here know, which includes the 3 videos Andrew Fredericks produced about the hoseline stretch and advancement, and methods of fire attack. Some great engine co. ops info. Also on YouTube are some videos by a couple of guys from the Sacramento, CA fire dept with several good training points. They do 1 3/4" and 2 1/2" hose evolutions, which might be what you want. If you haven't already, also search Fire Engineering for all of Andrew Fredericks and Dave McGrail's articles on engine operations. Some great material here as well.
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    http://brotherhoodinstructors.com/wordpress/?cat=9
    Some good videos, with comments and commentary.
    Appears to be moderated well. Different options presented, differing opinions, no slamming.
    Not the esiest thing to navigate, but a pretty good educational site.

    Also, look at the photo links.
    Chicago, NY, etc. A few vides mixed in there. Gotta look.

    Sometimes a pic, and video, is worth a thousand and one words.

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