Thread: Best and Worst of Truck Co. Ops
03-15-2008, 01:01 AM #1WFDFire2156Firehouse.com Guest
Best and Worst of Truck Co. Ops
Best and worst of Truck Co. tactics and operations. Theres a thread posted for the engine know we need one for the Truck..... come on truckies!
03-15-2008, 01:08 AM #2
NOT coordinate ventilation with the Engine
Break windows on the opposite side that the fire is on, and draw the fire that way, increasing damage, and killing crew
Put ANYthing in a vent hole, water stream, head, etc...
NOT aggressively overhaul a structure, resulting in multiple flareups
Take da can in with a properly trained member, saving lives, and reducing property damage
Aggressively search a structure
Vent, vent, vent.......properly. Breaking windows, and cutting holes for the sake of it, and breaking the right windows, and cutting the right holes makes all the difference between a buncha amateurs, and trained professionals.AJ, MICP, FireMedic
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03-15-2008, 03:19 PM #3
Last edited by dadman; 03-15-2008 at 03:32 PM.
03-17-2008, 07:08 PM #4
- Join Date
- Oct 2005
Taking a cue from a previous poster
Your a ladder, so, ladder the damn building, every floor
When you take a window, TAKE THE DAMN WINDOW, that means every thing. One swing of the hook doesnt vent the room. Clear out the glass, clear out the screens, take out the sash, take off the metal awnings. Remember your task is to vent the place not just break glass. The window you vent now may be the window you need to bail from later.
Vent top down remember heat and smoke RISE.
Take a tool with you, more than one preferable. Otherwise your just a useless engine guy.
Keep your officer informed of any possible spread of fire.
When you open up the walls and ceilings, OPEN THEM UP. You can stop when you see clean wood. For walls, point closest to fire then top down. For ceilings, point closest to fire then back. Dont stop at the casing around the doors and windows, take off the casing as well.
If you find a pipe chase, its generally a good idea to check the entire chase for extention.
Shut off the utilities, to the point that your department allows.
When your venting a roof, open all the natural openings first. If your cutting a hole, make it count...4'X4' then LIFT your cut roof off, dont push it into the hole. Remember to punch thru the ceiling when your done. Otherwise you didnt vent sh1t. Know where to cut and when to cut. When you vent a skylight, be carefull, try not to hit somebody working below you with broken glass. Then open the walls in the skylight "chase" this will vent the attic or cockloft. Sound the roof as you go. Watch for soft spots, spongy in nature, pooling tar. All are indications of poor roof conditions and high heat below. When your done on the roof, get the hell off. Theres probably more work to be done elsewhere.
When your searching, stay oriented. Take a quick look at the building before you enter. Dont get lost because you relied on the TIC and forgot the basics of search. If you find a victim, generally the quickest and safest means of getting them out is the interior stairs. If not, you will need help getting them out the window and down the ladder. When you find a victim let your officer know. He will then know that for the time being that you are no longer searching and can direct others to that task.
If you get lost or in trouble, let others know. Can you find hoseline, remember male towards the fire, means female takes you home.
Know how to use every tool on the truck. If you use it, clean it. If the guy who is suppose to check the saws, didnt, then you do it. The time to find out your saw isnt working is not 3 stories up with heavy fire below you.
If you drive, its your job to get the truck their quickly yet safely. After that you need to ensure proper positioning. No point in trying to raise the main if you just parked under a sh1t load of wires.
When cutting cars, you cant just blindly cut anywhere, anymore. Take out all the glass, crib the vehicle so it doesnt move. Take off the decorative plastic to expose what your actually cutting. You dont what to find out as your cutting, that its a bad spot. Its different on every car. Those side impact airbags have made it more and more difficult to "just start cutting." Sometimes the easiest way isnt always the safest or most obvious. Take a second and look at what your doing and what you might be able to do easier.
The smallest task now maybe what gets us all to go home later
Above all else, doing everything within your ability to go home.
If you had to ask, you need to learn more.Just another one of the 99%ers looking up.
03-17-2008, 07:20 PM #5
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- Oct 2005
Something I took from a poster on one of our local fire forums:
A lot of what we do calls for basic operations learned through training and common sense.
Some of what we do requires specific and controlled action(s) of practiced applications.
A little of what we do requires some very precise and technical training and expertise.
All of what we do requires a desire to do the best we can to solve a problem, control an event and/or take care of people in need.
Everyone should learn something every day.
I think it speaks volumes about our jobJust another one of the 99%ers looking up.
03-18-2008, 03:00 PM #6
I dont know what else to add onto PFDtruck18's post, he pretty much nailed it, but for me to sum it up in a few words...
BE VERSATILE, your not there just to break stuff (I know, wheres the fun in that!?). You have to be able to adapt and overcome when something goes wrong or changes drastically. Being on a truck is more than just when the fire is still going on, be knowledgable in other tactic like ropes, rescue and anything that might come your way. Take more than one tool with you! You are no good to me if you only have a haligan bar in your hand. I take the set of irons, a 5' boston rake, and the hydra ram with me on every run. Make sure that you and the others on your crew have differnet tools. A truck crew is no good if we have to hook an 8' ceiling and everyone has closet hooks!
KNOW YOUR JOB AND BE PROFICENT AT IT. Know different search tactics, 2 man, three man, etc. Know how to throw ladders and vent by yourself. Coordinate the vent with the engine crew and like 4949 said CLEAR OUT ALL OF THE WINDOW!! Know just about everyway to gain entry to a building and have a plan B and C. Know how to, where, as well as when to start and stop overhauling. Be proficent at ventilaion, both natural and mechanical. Make certain that you know how to vent diferent types of buildings, inclduing high rises. Know how elevators work and how to get into them. Utilites (water,gas,etc) how to shut them off as well as to work your meters that aid you. Know fire alarm syestem and sprinklers as well as how to shut them off and reset them.
KNOW YOUR RIG AND ALL THE EQUIPMENT CARRIED ON IT. Make sure all of it works and runs at the beginning of the shift. You should know everything that is carried on the rig, how they work/function, how to repair them if needed, it's capacity, and different ways they could be used. You should know just about everything about using the ladder, its ratings, emergency procedures, set up, capacities, positioning and over all functions. Be proficent at setting up ladder pies/elevated master streams and know the capacitites of them all.
KNOW YOUR FIRST, SECOND and THIRD DUE AREAS! The tower I ride is 1st due truck into about 4 different 1st dues as well as 2nd and 3rd due into many more. All of them are very different that others. By knowing the outline of buildings as well as its contruction, you will be know what your getting into before you even step off the rig. By knowing your area and how houses and such are layed out, you can begin forumlating a search pattern before you step into the house. Also this will aide you decision on how to/where to vent, what ladders to grab off first and most importantly how to position your truck.
LEARN HOW TO USE YOU SENSES. When doing a search, learn to use your ears more and concentarte on whats going on around you. Be able to picture what your feeling with your hands and tools, the room layout, the couch that your hook just hit and how it sits in the room, etc. This will aide you in your search and hopefully get you to the victim faster and find the fire when you moving through and overhauling.
NEVER STOP LEARNING NEW THINGS. When you think you have learned it all about truck work and the jobs that go with it, you are dead wrong. I am always finding stuff to learn and ways to do things and hope that I will never stop!!
Keep yourself in good shape and dont stop working until told to stop or you feel like you are too incedibly exhausted to go on. We all know truck work can be exhausting, so stay in good physical shape to keep yourself doing your job for longer periods of time."There is no strong beer...only weak men"
MCFRS Station 8C
03-18-2008, 03:12 PM #7
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- Sep 2003
Don't spot the rig under the powerlines if you plan on using the stick. Preplan with the engine, so they know to leave you space in front of the fire occupancy.
Try to make sure no one (other companies, PD, EMS) parks right behind your rig if your ladders come out the back.
Get a chalk saw (piece of PVC piping with a big chunk of chalk in the end of it). Take the crew to various roofs in your district, and discuss how you'll vent them. Let the newer members use the chalk saw to show how they would cut. Now would be a good time to get everyone on the same page, rather than waiting for a real fire.
And don't bring a handline to the roof.
03-18-2008, 03:53 PM #8
Last edited by len1582; 08-06-2010 at 03:16 PM.
03-28-2008, 12:25 PM #9
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- Aug 2007
Butt the ladder
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