1. #1
    MembersZone Subscriber

    Join Date
    Mar 2001
    Posts
    17

    Default Drivers with or without coats

    I have an article to write for an officers class and I pose this question for all of you.

    In your dept is the driver required to wear his turnout coat?

    what are some pros/cons?

    What does NFPA say about this, if they say anything at all?

    Thanks for your feedback

    Stay Safe
    -Lt Urso
    www.blackwoodfire.org

  2. #2
    Forum Member

    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    Cupcake NY
    Posts
    1,327

    Default

    They can have it either way, just not allowed to use thumb/wristlet attachment as it could restrict movement.

  3. #3
    Forum Member
    Weruj1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 1999
    Location
    NW Ohio
    Posts
    7,857

    Default

    no

    dont know of any

    and Nothing.
    IACOJ both divisions and PROUD OF IT !
    Pardon me sir.. .....but I believe we are all over here !
    ATTENTION ALL SHOPPERS: Will the dead horse please report to the forums.(thanks Motown)
    RAY WAS HERE 08/28/05
    LETHA' FOREVA' ! 010607
    I'm sorry, I haven't been paying much attention for the last 3 hours.....what were we discussing?
    "but I guarentee you I will FF your arse off" from>
    http://www.firehouse.com/forums/show...60#post1137060post 115

  4. #4
    Forum Member
    johnny46's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Houston, TX
    Posts
    2,094

    Default

    It's at the driver's discretion.

  5. #5
    Forum Member
    ndvfdff33's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    Winterpeg Manitoba
    Posts
    2,461

    Default

    Driver's decide if they want to wear it or not.
    If someone with multiple personalities threatens to kill himself, is it considered a hostage situation?

    Ryan

  6. #6
    Forum Member
    lieut1sc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Eagle Flats, Wisconsin
    Posts
    77

    Default

    We don't have anything saying if you should or shouldn't. We leave it up to the driver. I personally don't when I drive. I don't like how it feels when I'm wearing a coat when driving. I also don't wear one when driving my POV anthing over 5 miles. Thats just me.

  7. #7
    MembersZone Subscriber
    dday05's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Posts
    1,331

    Default

    We don't require the driver to wear their coat but it should be near them or be ready to be put into action (90 % of the time the driver does wear it). We run with 4 on a shift. We usually trade a spot with the driver when we have good workers as to give some of the guys a break. There has also been some fires where the truck arrives on scene and had to perform rescue activities. Therefore the driver had to assist with full gear and what not.

  8. #8
    Forum Member

    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Posts
    45

    Default

    On our department no one is required to be in full gear on the truck only bunker pants (unless the truck is about to leave then you hop on with your gear and get dressed when arrived on scene)

    Most times though persons will be bunked up w/ the exception of there helmet.

  9. #9
    MembersZone Subscriber

    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    A small town in Tennessee
    Posts
    141

    Default

    We do not allow our drivers to wear ANY gear what-so-ever. Chief sees it as a safety problem, as the gas/brake pedals are close together on our rigs, and the coat restricts movement.

    Once on scene, when the driver has time, they can put on their PPE.

    Even in "civilian" clothes, anything wider than a tennis shoe (or sneaker, depending on what part of the country you're from) will hit both pedals if your foot isn't centered on a particular one, so it makes sense to me. We are 100% volunteer, and respond from home. We run 300 calls a year and cover 73sq mi.
    Put THAT in your pump and flow it.


    Proud member IACOJ

  10. #10
    Forum Member

    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Northwest OH
    Posts
    355

    Default

    My proximity to that station has me driving often, and it really is hit or miss as to if I wear my coat. I guess it depends on the weather to be honest. I prefer to not wear my coat only because I feel thinner, lol. and I feel less restricted in movement, however I havent had an issue wearing it restricing my movement really. As Weruj1 said, we dont require it, and it is up to the driver

  11. #11
    Forum Member

    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    1,063

    Default

    No while responding. Then while on scene they are supposed to wear full T/O gear and helmet - I know it's dumb.

  12. #12
    Forum Member

    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    The Mistake On The Lake
    Posts
    470

    Default

    Never while I'm driving. Some of our guys do though, and some don't. I just don't like the restriction in movement when I'm driving. On scene, I grab it out of the compartment, or cab (whichever one I stowed it in), and throw it on while getting set up.

  13. #13
    55 Years & Still Rolling
    hwoods's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2002
    Location
    Glenn Dale Md, Heart of the P.G. County Fire Belt....
    Posts
    10,739

    Thumbs up Well.............

    The only rule here is that when operating any Open Cab vehicle, you must be wearing your Coat and Helmet. It will be a moot point in another year or so, after our last couple of Brush Jeeps are retired, they're the only open cabs left. Other than that, Drivers Don't wear gear while driving.
    Never use Force! Get a Bigger Hammer.
    In memory of
    Chief Earle W. Woods, 1912 - 1997
    Asst. Chief John R. Woods Sr. 1937 - 2006

    IACOJ Budget Analyst

    I Refuse to be a Spectator. If I come to the Game, I'm Playing.

    www.gdvfd18.com

  14. #14
    MembersZone Subscriber

    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    Northeast Coast
    Posts
    3,891

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by jonnyirons2 View Post
    They can have it either way, just not allowed to use thumb/wristlet attachment as it could restrict movement.
    We have the same rule, but it was due to the lack of "gripability" on the wheel with the wristlets.

  15. #15
    Forum Member
    Bones42's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2001
    Location
    Pt. Beach, NJ
    Posts
    10,694

    Default

    No while responding. Then while on scene they are supposed to wear full T/O gear and helmet
    Ditto. I don't believe it's dumb though.
    "This thread is being closed as it is off-topic and not related to the fire industry." - Isn't that what the Off Duty forum was for?

  16. #16
    MembersZone Subscriber
    PAZ711's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    NE PA
    Posts
    49

    Default

    Our drivers can wear whatever they show up in. All our rigs have spare hip boots and jackets in the engineer compartment if they want extra protection on-scene.

  17. #17
    Forum Member

    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    PA
    Posts
    2,970

    Default

    Our drivers have the option as to whether or not they wear gear when driving. If it's a "non-fire" type call (EMS assist, wires call, etc.) many don't wear any gear to drive. Most will wear their pants/boots for other call types and then finish dressing on scene. Very few drive with their coat on.

  18. #18
    Forum Member

    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    Southern Indiana
    Posts
    497

    Default

    As I live relatively far from our station (all volunteer), I almost never drive anything other than a POV. This moring though - I took an engine to an MVA. On the way out - no coat. On the way back, I had the coat on. Simply put, I was cold and wanted a jacket for the return trip.

    We don't have any SOG's on this to my knowledge.

  19. #19
    Forum Member

    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    1,063

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Bones42 View Post
    Ditto. I don't believe it's dumb though.

    I wish their was more flexibility in the policy.

  20. #20
    MembersZone Subscriber
    fyrmnk's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Posts
    518

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackwood84 View Post
    I have an article to write for an officers class and I pose this question for all of you.

    In your dept is the driver required to wear his turnout coat?

    what are some pros/cons?

    What does NFPA say about this, if they say anything at all?

    Thanks for your feedback

    Stay Safe
    -Lt Urso
    www.blackwoodfire.org
    No, not required.
    FTM-PTB-RFB
    IACOJ

  21. #21
    Forum Member
    Dave1983's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    Gator Country
    Posts
    4,157

    Default

    SOG is no PPE while driving. No exceptions...
    Fire Marshal/Safety Officer

    IAAI-NFPA-IAFC/VCOS-Retired IAFF

    "No his mind is not for rent, to any god or government"
    RUSH-Tom Sawyer

    Success is when skill meets opportunity
    Failure is when fantasy meets reality

  22. #22
    MembersZone Subscriber
    firefighterMV's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    Bellingham, WA, USA
    Posts
    45

    Default

    My department requires full gear for ALL personnel even while enroute. We run typically 3 man companies or even 2 man when we are slim. This means to follow the NFPA standard for 2-in / 2-out that the 2-out must be in standby gear. All of our apparatus are set up so that the pump panels are "set it and forget it" ready. We have digital rpm/pressure regulators so we can set the pressure and then the driver can get a pack on and either be part of the standby when the Command unit arrives (he will bunk up and pack up if necessary initially if needed also) or if a two man company, will pump water to the nozzle and then get to the nozzle to make entry when the next 2 personnel arrive...and one of these next two arriving will then become the pump operator on the initial attack engine...sounds complicated but works when you cover 55 sq. miles and your next unit is a ways out and want to make quick entry as soon as the next unit arrives.

  23. #23
    Forum Member
    DeputyChiefGonzo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2000
    Location
    Somewhere between genius and insanity!
    Posts
    13,584

    Default

    Driver's discretion here. They are expected, however, to don their gear once they arrive at a scene.
    ‎"The education of a firefighter and the continued education of a firefighter is what makes "real" firefighters. Continuous skill development is the core of progressive firefighting. We learn by doing and doing it again and again, both on the training ground and the fireground."
    Lt. Ray McCormack, FDNY

  24. #24
    Forum Member
    snowball's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2000
    Location
    Just North of South Central
    Posts
    2,740

    Default

    No rule here either way. Personally, I do not wear my coat while driving, too restrictive.
    IAFF

  25. #25
    Forum Member
    Lifeguard911's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Chaffee County, Colorado
    Posts
    119

    Default

    Our Department has no rule about it. I prefer not to wear a coat while driving as it restricts arm movement.

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. turnout coats
    By clintonradloff in forum Firefighters Forum
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 10-26-2006, 02:39 PM
  2. long coats
    By ADSNWFLD in forum Firefighters Forum
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 03-19-2004, 03:48 PM
  3. Boots N' Coats
    By Weruj1 in forum Firefighters Forum
    Replies: 12
    Last Post: 02-21-2003, 01:11 PM
  4. Roof Coats
    By FFMcDonald in forum Firefighters Forum
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 02-08-2002, 10:13 AM
  5. Patches on bunker coats
    By FiremedicMike in forum Firefighters Forum
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 12-24-2001, 02:02 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts

Log in

Click here to log in or register