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    Is there an AFG accepted formula for a cost-benefit analysis?


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    I don't think AFG has any standard on this. It's a peer review issue, so what you use needs to be reasonable and understandable. i.e. cost of bunker gear divided by 10 year life divided by citizens impacted=a reasonable number.

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    Cost-benefit is calculated as follows:

    Cost of project

    divided by

    Benefit of project.


    More specifically, something like this, for AFG:

    Cost of project divided by (population served times years of service)

    So for example, a $100,000 project that serves a population of 4,000 for 10 years would be calculated as:

    $100,000 $100,000
    --------- = --------- = $2.50
    4,000 * 10 40,000

    So the cost-benefit of this is $2.50 per person, per year. Remember that the time element is critical; if you dilute this example down to one year (and the project is not a one-year project), you have $25 per person, which is high.
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    Crystal Clear!! Thanks for the help!

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    ok.......$ 500,000 quint

    4500 residents
    20 yars service life

    cost benefit is : $ 5.55 per

    yes?
    and is that a good c/b

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    Probably not

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    Is an $3.06 a reasonable cost/benefit ?

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    If my memory is correct, Kurt Bradley mentioned to me that under $2 is a competitive cost/benefit, but I don't know for vehicles.

    My department is putting in for our first engine and we are around $2.30-$2.50 per person cost/benefit

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    Is the cost/benefit on the total $ of project, or is on the AFG share of grant ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarg77 View Post
    Is the cost/benefit on the total $ of project, or is on the AFG share of grant ?
    Very good question....

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    It would make a big difference for us,because of money down on project. it would be in the $2.37 range.

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    I would think that the federal government would be concerned with how beneficial their money would be. So I believe I would base it on the federal amount in this instance. However, if you are only matching the 5%, I would put the total grant amount in as to not confuse anyone. I believe I just talked in a circle!!! Stay Safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarg77 View Post
    It would make a big difference for us,because of money down on project. it would be in the $2.37 range.
    Exactly, it would make a huge difference for the same reason as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imafireman View Post
    I would think that the federal government would be concerned with how beneficial their money would be. So I believe I would base it on the federal amount in this instance. However, if you are only matching the 5%, I would put the total grant amount in as to not confuse anyone. I believe I just talked in a circle!!! Stay Safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imafireman View Post
    I would think that the federal government would be concerned with how beneficial their money would be. So I believe I would base it on the federal amount in this instance. However, if you are only matching the 5%, I would put the total grant amount in as to not confuse anyone. I believe I just talked in a circle!!! Stay Safe.

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    I feel like Iam in a circle !!!

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    Right or wrong, here's the mental approach i take to my Cost/Benefit section:

    The Cost/Benefit section of the narrative is a place to explain what will be gained by the funding we receive. Some of that will be word kind of stuff that captures the reviewer's attention--"What BENEFITS will we get??" (benefit). The formula part kind of helps the reviewer relate to it COSTS in a way other than XX thousand of greenbacks. Takes both elements to make a clear statement.

    I'm not saying the formula isn't important, but it's function is to help the reviewer see the value of the project.

    Your mileage may vary. Radically.

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    We are submitting for a brush unit, a Type 6. We are a rural community that protects 8500 residents. The cost of our project is $99,500.

    We based our formula on: 8500 * 15 years.

    Our ratio is $.78 per resident.

    It doesn't seem right but based on the formula, thats the number.

    How deep does the review committe look at this for brush units? We have one on loan from the PA Dept of Forestry and it was just plucked out of a field from our latest fire this week. The mud was up to the top of the fender wells. It is over 22 years old and we need help. Any other ideas that would help. My grant is done but any help would be great. Thanks.

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    We were under $1 per use and effective population impact on both the engine and SCBA this year, and both were funded. If my memory serves me correctly $1 is the magic number.

    Earl makes the greatest point, the intangibles are critically important as well. Emphasize both points.

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    $1
    Dang ! I will never get it down that far
    Does anybody know if you can use automatic-aid population?

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    Quote Originally Posted by montco65 View Post
    We are submitting for a brush unit, a Type 6. We are a rural community that protects 8500 residents. The cost of our project is $99,500.
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    Joe,

    Just out of curiosity, have you applied to replace this unit in the past? Just knowing your current fleet, I'd be concerned about making the computer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarg77 View Post
    $1
    Dang ! I will never get it down that far
    Does anybody know if you can use automatic-aid population?
    Sorry Sarg, not in the intial computer run. You can talk it up in your narrative but you can only count YOUR first in population in the computer block.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WJVaughn View Post
    Sorry Sarg, not in the intial computer run. You can talk it up in your narrative but you can only count YOUR first in population in the computer block.
    Thanks, Thats what I thought,just have to get by that &$%@@% computer !!
    Hopefully my 36 year old, bad shape pumper will make it for me .
    Thank you all for your plugs ! very helpful here.
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    Has anyone not included actual number for cost ben in there application?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarg77 View Post
    $1
    Dang ! I will never get it down that far
    I have in my notes (I believe from Kurt) that $2.50 is a good c/b.

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    Quote Originally Posted by befferk View Post
    I have in my notes (I believe from Kurt) that $2.50 is a good c/b.
    That is closer to my situation !!!!
    Thank you

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