ENOUGH! Explorers, Jrs, wannabes, wackadoodles, and my AHTP Brothers, READ!

[whitesox4life]

All kidding aside, BLS you're right. Being a jr/exp has its blessings, and its down sides. Sure, you're a "firefighter", but you're not a firefighter yet.

Yes BLS has a point with this. I am a former Jr. FF (just turned 18 and moved up to Sr side). But I have to disagree with this statement. Junior Firefighters are NOT firefighters by ANY means. Just because the name is there, that doesn't mean anything. Juniors are IMHO just job shadowers. The only thing that they can do and are good for on a fire scene is fetching tools and helping with rehab. I'm not trying to put anybody down, cause, remember, I just came from that side. All you are there to do is to LEARN. Nothing more, Nothing less.

[backsteprescue123]

Yes BLS has a point with this. I am a former Jr. FF (just turned 18 and moved up to Sr side). But I have to disagree with this statement. Junior Firefighters are NOT firefighters by ANY means. Just because the name is there, that doesn't mean anything. Juniors are IMHO just job shadowers. The only thing that they can do and are good for on a fire scene is fetching tools and helping with rehab. I'm not trying to put anybody down, cause, remember, I just came from that side. All you are there to do is to LEARN. Nothing more, Nothing less.

DING DING DING!

WINNER!

Whitesox hit the nail on the head.

[t0asty]

DING DING DING!

WINNER!

Whitesox hit the nail on the head.

My question is what did he win?

[KEEPBACK200FEET]

My question is what did he win?

A few brownie points with us, that's all.

[NWOhio157]

My question is what did he win?

If it was my choice...... Nothing.

[KEEPBACK200FEET]

If it was my choice...... Nothing.

Maybe a few extra zeros in front of his check?

[snowball]

Anti
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Hey!! I want in. I have more replies to him with "Why don't you just STFU" than anyone!!

[NWOhio157]

Hey!! I want in. I have more replies to him with "Why don't you just STFU" than anyone!!

I'm for it... I say your in. Just depends what the boss says (blsboy)...

[BLSboy]

The more, the merrier!

[snowball]

Correction it was "Dude just STFU"!

[Motorhead90]

If you are an Explorer, or Jr, or anything other then an active FIREFIGHTER, you have NO buisness with the following;
Interior firefighting.
Exterior firefighting
Radios, unless they play music
Emergency lights, sirens, or responding
Power tools on scene
Rank
Or whining.
We are here to HELP you develop that wet noodle stuffing between your ears called your brain. We understand that it is frustrating to not be able to do what we do. Trust me, most, if not all of us are former Junior members of a FD. Some of us have fouled up, gotten knocked on our ***, and know what to avoid.
Ask smart questions. I can care less what kind of LEDs you have on your new Super Duper QUINT/Tanker/Heavy Resq, and I will probably make fun of you. But, you want to learn about ropes and knots, why you use a large calibur line, bunker gear donning tips, SCBA donning tips, or something that will help you develop yourself, ask away.

This should be a mandate to congress. Amen

[NWOhio157]

This should be a mandate to congress. Amen

Please change your signature. That's 4 months old.

[mfdbenji]

Im going to agree with a lot of what BLSboy said.

Although...

When I was a cadet, I bassically could do anythin on a fire scene other then enter a burning building on a call. Now that I look back, that was probably a huge mistake on my Departments part. Now the Cadet program is much different, with many set rules and guidlines that need to be followed.

Like...

-On School Days Cadets are not allowed at the Firehouse from 8am -3pm
-School Nights Cadets can not be in the station or on a call or such between the hours of 9:30pm and 8am
-Copy of your grades goes to the Chief and if you have anything less then a C in any class, you are banned from calls for the rest of the Quarter. You may still attend Meetings and Trainings at the Chiefs Discretion.
-Cadets are no longer to ride on either frontline engine, even if there is an open seat on the truck.
-No Mutual Aid for Cadets.
-No Motor Vehicle Accidents (Side Note, We only go to serious MVA's i.e. Entrapment or Ejection or Multiple Injuries or MVA's w/ a large (10+ gallon) fuel leak)
-At scenes cadets stick to the staging area and are deployed from there just like every other firefighter.

[DurMEFF91]

Just So Ever One Knows Dont Bust on the Jr's Explorers or any of the Younger ones Because they will be the ones Replacing you so just Tell them everthing and anything to help them

[Delta107]

If you are an Explorer, or Jr, or anything other then an active FIREFIGHTER, you have NO buisness with the following;
Interior firefighting.
Exterior firefighting
Radios, unless they play music
Emergency lights, sirens, or responding
Power tools on scene
Rank
Or whining.
We are here to HELP you develop that wet noodle stuffing between your ears called your brain. We understand that it is frustrating to not be able to do what we do. Trust me, most, if not all of us are former Junior members of a FD. Some of us have fouled up, gotten knocked on our ***, and know what to avoid.
Ask smart questions. I can care less what kind of LEDs you have on your new Super Duper QUINT/Tanker/Heavy Resq, and I will probably make fun of you. But, you want to learn about ropes and knots, why you use a large calibur line, bunker gear donning tips, SCBA donning tips, or something that will help you develop yourself, ask away.

I agree with you 99.99% of what you are saying.
Rank, I think it is an important part of an explorer post. Are post currently has a Captain and 3 Lieutenants. It helps with chain of command skills and the advisor's. You can't ask them to do everything.

[NFD1957]

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[BLSboy]

As juniors we are doing HANDS-ON TRAINING!!! Let me repeat myself HANDS-ON TRAINING!! That is what we are here for!! No one here is whining. yes we should NOT be doing interior or ventilation but we can do many things outside the structure after we learn how to do them properly!! The constant arguing on here needs to stop NOW cause i know this doesn't happen at the fire house and so it shouldn't happen here! So everyone needs to give it a rest and have some respect for each other!!

As a last reminder:

WE ARE HERE FOR HANDS-ON TRAINING!!!!!
ITS CALLED TRAINING!!
TRAINING = LEARNING!!
LEARNING = KNOWLEDGE!!!

You need to cut down on your sugar, and switch to decaf, junior. I will be back to learn you good after I make some bank.

[NWOhio157]

You need to cut down on your sugar, and switch to decaf, junior. I will be back to learn you good after I make some bank.

I have the popcorn... Wonder how good this will taste with water ... I don't drink pop anymore.

[NWOhio157]

As juniors we are doing HANDS-ON TRAINING!!! Let me repeat myself HANDS-ON TRAINING!! That is what we are here for!! No one here is whining. yes we should NOT be doing interior or ventilation but we can do many things outside the structure after we learn how to do them properly!! The constant arguing on here needs to stop NOW cause i know this doesn't happen at the fire house and so it shouldn't happen here! So everyone needs to give it a rest and have some respect for each other!!

As a last reminder:

WE ARE HERE FOR HANDS-ON TRAINING!!!!!
ITS CALLED TRAINING!!
TRAINING = LEARNING!!
LEARNING = KNOWLEDGE!!!

Almighty Junior,
What is a discussion without disagreement? Sorry Sally, but I'm willing to put money down that over 40% of the threads in the Explorer Forums were started because of someone whining (i.e. "I Need a Pager", "Stupid Louisiana Labor Laws", "Junior/Explorer Duties", "We NEED TO HAVE RADIOS").
Hate to break it to you, but it isn't all about hands-on training. Tell me if I'm wrong - School is mostly class work, there isn't too much hands-on stuff in school. You have to learn the right way to solve an Algebra problem before your math instructor gives you the homework, right? So in firefighting, if would be only right to learn the proper way to do vertical ventilation before actually doing it - Or it would only be right to learn the proper way to carry out a victim so you don't hurt yourself nor the victim - Or it would be right to learn about traffic safety. If it wasn't proper to learn stuff in a "classroom setting," then why don't we just go back to the 1800s and make everyone be apart of firefighting???
Now on to the part where you talk about everyone fighting and arguing... Again, I ask, what is a discussion without disagreements? There is a few people on here who believe they may be better than others, know more than others, or act like they know more than others - But then there's a few on here who have been on the job for 30, maybe 40+ years. Respect is too big of a word for some people on here.
Now, lets consider how much of a newbie you are around here... March 2008. The FH forums have been around since around 1998 - 10 years. You, with a whopping 2 months under your belt, will not change anything. No one will listen to you for the following reasons - 1) You're a newbie 2)You're a Jr/Explorer 3) You don't use proper grammar.

Reasons such as this are the same reasons I don't visit the Forums much - I'm slowly drifting away...

[BLSboy]

As juniors we are doing HANDS-ON TRAINING!!! Let me repeat myself HANDS-ON TRAINING!! That is what we are here for!! No one here is whining. yes we should NOT be doing interior or ventilation but we can do many things outside the structure after we learn how to do them properly!! The constant arguing on here needs to stop NOW cause i know this doesn't happen at the fire house and so it shouldn't happen here! So everyone needs to give it a rest and have some respect for each other!!

As a last reminder:

WE ARE HERE FOR HANDS-ON TRAINING!!!!!
ITS CALLED TRAINING!!
TRAINING = LEARNING!!
LEARNING = KNOWLEDGE!!!

No, you are there to observe, and learn the basics. Among them, self control.
You are, at best, a go-for.
I will not disagree that the best way to learn is the show one, do one, teach one method.
You learn in the class room setting.
You go out the the prop, and are shown by the instructor.
You do it.
You teach someone else to do it.
If your firehouse doesn't have disagreement in it, then there is something WRONG.
There are many tasks for you to do on the exterior.
Grab me a water, and Gatorade. I prefer both ice cold, and Orange Gatorade, K, thanks.
Change out my cylander too, I used some air during that attack.
Oh, and go fetch me the drywall hook. After I suck down this bottle, I gotta go overhaul. And now you may grab your pack, and come in observe overhaul, and the investigation.
Get in the way, and out you go.
Don't like it?
Go soak your head.