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    Quote Originally Posted by MFDHoseCo3CGR View Post
    .... I know a paid Fire department would.
    Somehow, I think that last statement has more to do with this than what actually happened.

    It certainly appears there is discord/contempt between the vols and the paid department......again.
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    I agree with you Bones !! A 24 year kid talking like he's been on the job for 30 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mycareer View Post
    Apparently the dismissed members were very active in the dept. These dismissals may have an impact on an already busy dept. Nothing in the press so far. Info to follow as it develops
    If it is such a busy organization, perhaps they should consider full time staffing. As for the allegations, hopefully they received due process prior to their dismissal.

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    Perhaps mycareer should tread lightly since his bosses son was one of the members that was dismissed!

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    doesnt matter if they were on duty or not, they were wearing the uniform and therefore representing their department. The screwed up, now they have to pay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFDHoseCo3CGR View Post
    Just so you are aware it is not against the rule at all.
    We would hope that it wouldn't have to be a written rule for people to understand that it's not acceptable. Blaming the lack of an SOP doesn't help the cause...
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    Doesn't make it right, they were in uniform reflecting the town/dept they worked for. Obviously someone thought they showed the department in a bad enough light that they needed to be disciplined. Just because they werent on duty or in town doesnt take away from the fact that they were uniformed, recognizable members of the department behaving in a manner that reflects poorly on the department.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFDHoseCo3CGR View Post
    You've obviously never been to the St. Patricks day parade around here.
    Nope, and don't plan on coming if that's how the departments are represented.
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    Well the fecal matter has hit the fan in other forums. WTNH and the Courant. It sounds like the 8th District has some serious soul searching to do. Maybe its time for them to look at themselves as what they are: an outdated system in one of the fastest growing towns in CT

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    Exclamation What a bunch of ignorance.... is there no brotherhood???

    Pretty much the only one with a brain so far is MFDHoseCo3CGR. Just for starters...WHAT IS WRONG WITH ALL OF YOU???!!(besides MFDHoseCoCGR) How far up your rears are your heads...YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED TO BE TALKING LIKE THIS...Are you not all firefighters? Doesn't sound like it, sounds like your just people trying to play the part and look like a heroic individual. Firefighting is all about tradition and St.Patty's day is a traditional fire/police event. Drinking has always been acceptable at these events by even uniformed police officers. This may vary from department to department but generally is fine, as it should be. It's people like you who are ruining the fire service and are making what was once the best thing in the world into these little stuck up prissy back stabbing, "soft" and un-fun places. People shouldn't take it too far as I know for a fact these members in the 8th didn't since I was there at this event. MrPeepers probably has written the biggest amount of pure ignorance I have ever seen in my entire life.....Underage drinking is an issue, but for one leave morals out of this because it is not all that big of an issue. Majority of people today and even in the past and it will continue into the future have consumed alcohol before the age of 21. That is not an issue, its ok, its human to do these things. Plus in this case it is all just allegations, the members told their side of the story and were told, well we don't believe you BYE! Justice, I think not. The community is OUTRAGED as I have spoken to many...many... people who live in the 8th district, as well as other Fire departments, career and volunteer. They all said the same thing, this is rediculous, its St.Pattys day and this chief should be thrown out of office. The community was so shocked to hear about this bull that there will be many many many letters sent to the district soon enough, I will guarantee it. Another issue to speak about is brotherhood....has it died?? It's called the blue line, know it, use it, live by it. YOU NEVER CROSS THE BLUE LINE. In the world of police and fire, no matter what happens you don't rat on one of your own or your not truely in the brotherhood and will forever be left out of it, the people who told(most of which are lies) are not true firemen and can never get that status back, they are now simply rats and outside looking in at the brotherhood. I am so outraged at this as a firefighter that I can't believe all of you wouldn't simply support these men who got dismissed because of brotherhood alone. Support your brothers no matter what, especially because one day it could be you, maybe for an entirely different issue but how would you feel if there were dozens of knives in your backs?? Thats how they feel. Keep moral beliefs out of this, if you don't agree with drinking ok, live your life alone and boring, let others have fun. Fact is the crowd loved these guys at the parade, with the exception of 1.

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    Exclamation Pure Ignorance...

    Pretty much the only one with a brain so far is MFDHoseCo3CGR. Just for starters...WHAT IS WRONG WITH ALL OF YOU???!!(besides MFDHoseCoCGR) How far up your rears are your heads...YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED TO BE TALKING LIKE THIS...Are you not all firefighters? Doesn't sound like it, sounds like your just people trying to play the part and look like a heroic individual. Firefighting is all about tradition and St.Patty's day is a traditional fire/police event. Drinking has always been acceptable at these events by even uniformed police officers. This may vary from department to department but generally is fine, as it should be. It's people like you who are ruining the fire service and are making what was once the best thing in the world into these little stuck up prissy back stabbing, "soft" and un-fun places. People shouldn't take it too far as I know for a fact these members in the 8th didn't since I was there at this event. MrPeepers probably has written the biggest amount of pure ignorance I have ever seen in my entire life.....Underage drinking is an issue, but for one leave morals out of this because it is not all that big of an issue. Majority of people today and even in the past and it will continue into the future have consumed alcohol before the age of 21. That is not an issue, its ok, its human to do these things. Plus in this case it is all just allegations, the members told their side of the story and were told, well we don't believe you BYE! Justice, I think not. The community is OUTRAGED as I have spoken to many...many... people who live in the 8th district, as well as other Fire departments, career and volunteer. They all said the same thing, this is rediculous, its St.Pattys day and this chief should be thrown out of office. The community was so shocked to hear about this bull that there will be many many many letters sent to the district soon enough, I will guarantee it. Another issue to speak about is brotherhood....has it died?? It's called the blue line, know it, use it, live by it. YOU NEVER CROSS THE BLUE LINE. In the world of police and fire, no matter what happens you don't rat on one of your own or your not truely in the brotherhood and will forever be left out of it, the people who told(most of which are lies) are not true firemen and can never get that status back, they are now simply rats and outside looking in at the brotherhood. I am so outraged at this as a firefighter that I can't believe all of you wouldn't simply support these men who got dismissed because of brotherhood alone. Support your brothers no matter what, especially because one day it could be you, maybe for an entirely different issue but how would you feel if there were dozens of knives in your backs?? Thats how they feel. Keep moral beliefs out of this, if you don't agree with drinking ok, live your life alone and boring, let others have fun. Fact is the crowd loved these guys at the parade, with the exception of 1.

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    Exclamation Pure Ignorance

    Pretty much the only one with a brain so far is MFDHoseCo3CGR. Just for starters...WHAT IS WRONG WITH ALL OF YOU???!!(besides MFDHoseCoCGR) How far up your rears are your heads...YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED TO BE TALKING LIKE THIS...Are you not all firefighters? Doesn't sound like it, sounds like your just people trying to play the part and look like a heroic individual. Firefighting is all about tradition and St.Patty's day is a traditional fire/police event. Drinking has always been acceptable at these events by even uniformed police officers. This may vary from department to department but generally is fine, as it should be. It's people like you who are ruining the fire service and are making what was once the best thing in the world into these little stuck up prissy back stabbing, "soft" and un-fun places. People shouldn't take it too far as I know for a fact these members in the 8th didn't since I was there at this event. MrPeepers probably has written the biggest amount of pure ignorance I have ever seen in my entire life.....Underage drinking is an issue, but for one leave morals out of this because it is not all that big of an issue. Majority of people today and even in the past and it will continue into the future have consumed alcohol before the age of 21. That is not an issue, its ok, its human to do these things. Plus in this case it is all just allegations, the members told their side of the story and were told, well we don't believe you BYE! Justice, I think not. The community is OUTRAGED as I have spoken to many...many... people who live in the 8th district, as well as other Fire departments, career and volunteer. They all said the same thing, this is rediculous, its St.Pattys day and this chief should be thrown out of office. The community was so shocked to hear about this bull that there will be many many many letters sent to the district soon enough, I will guarantee it. Another issue to speak about is brotherhood....has it died?? It's called the blue line, know it, use it, live by it. YOU NEVER CROSS THE BLUE LINE. In the world of police and fire, no matter what happens you don't rat on one of your own or your not truely in the brotherhood and will forever be left out of it, the people who told(most of which are lies) are not true firemen and can never get that status back, they are now simply rats and outside looking in at the brotherhood. I am so outraged at this as a firefighter that I can't believe all of you wouldn't simply support these men who got dismissed because of brotherhood alone. Support your brothers no matter what, especially because one day it could be you, maybe for an entirely different issue but how would you feel if there were dozens of knives in your backs?? Thats how they feel. Keep moral beliefs out of this, if you don't agree with drinking ok, let others have fun. Fact is the crowd loved these guys at the parade, with the exception of 1.

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    I agree with you Bones !! A 24 year kid talking like he's been on the job for 30 years.
    And why should age matter in this situation? If he is talking like he's been on the job for 30 years, apparently he has learned a lot and been an active member in the department during the time he has been "on the job." If he was personally involved in or effected by this situation, he has the right to speak out/defend himself and/or his brothers with his side of the story. The news has only covered the chief's point of view, which he developed from allegations only. He did not interview the dismissed members or attempt to hear any other "sides" of the story. In my opinion, the chief made his decision with other motivations other than to simply punish the behavior. I personally don't know why, but these guys were targets.
    The guys (other than the one that has already been mentioned in other posts) were not out of hand and were behaving respectably and in a friendly manner toward the crowd and each other throughout the parade. Intoxication was not an issue at all. If the chief felt that any wrongs were committed, he should have conducted a thorough investigation, including interviews and statements from the accused firefighters (which he did not). At that point, the underage drinking and any other behavior by the others that were 21+ that the chief may have still felt was necessary to punish, would have been more appropriately handled through a suspension and probation. This would have made the whole situation fair and a learning process for all involved. Consequently, the department would have been strengthened. Choosing to dismiss the 9 firefighters has caused a further disarray in a department that was already split and hurting.
    In addition to this, as previous posts have already mentioned, it is WIDELY known by the members of the 8th, etc that the chief and his staff are not innocent themselves when it comes to issues with alcohol in uniform and inappropriate behavior in public at one time or another without being punished or having consequences at all. Obviously this behavior has been treated as acceptable by them in the past. That known and said, makes the whole decision by the chief to dismiss the St.Patrick's Day nine a hypocritical one, and I can clearly see and understand why members have reacted as though they have been stabbed in the back by a department that they were actively involved in and dedicated a great deal of their time and energy through out their years of service.

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    Mycareer is still posting?? Huh, not very becoming of a TMFD Lt. If our system is so outdated why did you call us for mutual aid so much this week, as recently as this afternoon? Couldn't handle a simple smoke in the basement? Had to call Bolton and MFD 8th (both volunteers.) Chief Bycolski would be so proud to know his union protected lieutenant is trashing the District in every post possible.

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    As a taxpayer in the 8th district I am quite upset over the dismissal of these firefighters. While the chief states they make up 10% of the members, many of residents know this is simply not true. Did he mention how many of the other members are inactive, or how many are not yet allowed to enter structure fires? Yet another question: Did he mention how many will even respond to calls? If the response to the accident on I84 is an indication, we are truly in trouble here in the district. I for one are informing as many residents of the district as to the danger this situation poses to in our community.

    I was not impressed or pleased with the news conference either. The most paramount question that everyone needs to ask is does one day of off duty celebrating wipe out years of good service to the community? Many of these firefighters have given so much to this community and this is the way they are rewarded? This is truly sad and a slap in the face to Volunteers Firefighters throughout the country.

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    As a call firefighter I hate to see these things, however I'm glad it was delt with. I saw some firefighters from a local fire department on tv drinking while marching at the St. Pats parade in holyoke.....
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