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    Tuesday approx 10 members of the 8th District Utilities Volunteer Fire Dept in Manchester CT were dismissed. Allegations state that the members were dismissed in response to drinking in uniform Sat 3/15 at the Hartford St Patricks Day Parade. Also alleged is that some members dismissed were under age at the time. Another incident (rumor) of a Chief Officer being escorted out of a bar is being alleged. More to follow
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    Nice job guys. Way to make your department proud!!!

    Is it so difficult to dress like a civilian when you plan on drinking heavily? I've always preferred not to represent my fire department while intoxicated.
    Even the burger-flippers at McDonald's probably have some McWackers.

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    Bummer........

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    I have no problem with them getting tossed. I hope they had a policy in writing prohibiting such actions. If not, you know how the courts will rule.

    If there was underage drinking, someone should be prosecuted!!!
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    Apparently the dismissed members were very active in the dept. These dismissals may have an impact on an already busy dept. Nothing in the press so far. Info to follow as it develops

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    It's good to hear of a volunteer department taking action against their members. All too often we're scared to because "they're volunteers" and "who's going to do the job?" and so on.

    I hope all works out OK in the long run...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mycareer View Post
    Apparently the dismissed members were very active in the dept. These dismissals may have an impact on an already busy dept. Nothing in the press so far. Info to follow as it develops

    Got the whole story from an inside source. Not a good situation at all

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    Are the allegations posted true?? Based on your story from someone on the inside

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mycareer View Post
    Tuesday approx 10 members of the 8th District Utilities Volunteer Fire Dept in Manchester CT were dismissed. Allegations state that the members were dismissed in response to drinking in uniform Sat 3/15 at the Hartford St Patricks Day Parade. Also alleged is that some members dismissed were under age at the time. Another incident (rumor) of a Chief Officer being escorted out of a bar is being alleged. More to follow
    It's always good to have pure facts before stating what has been said. I don't drink and support the discipline of people who get caught. Now I as stated I don't support drinking what so ever but I know it's bad for the image of the dept but do they have guidelines that say noo drinking in uniform? They didn't respond to a call in pov or drive a truck or perform any FF functions did they? What if they were wearing FDNY or Chicago shirts? Would the outcome be the same? That would also set a bad example right? Just adding my 2 cents worth.Be safe

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    Apparently the impact has already been felt. Yesterday the 8th District Volunteers were toned out for an MVA w/extrication on I-84. On arrival with only 2 FF's on the engine, they called the Town Dept (career) for assistance. The scene was a car that was underneath a Semi truck with heavy entrapment and extended extrication. The town responded with 2 engines and a ladder. The Town BC took command and the majority of the extrication was done by the town firefighters. The 8th District Volunteers eventually got more people on scene along with Vernon FD. Patient was flown via Life Star to Hartford Hosp.

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    Even the burger-flippers at McDonald's probably have some McWackers.

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    Are the allegations posted true?? Based on your story from someone on the inside
    Unfortunatly.............

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mycareer View Post
    Apparently the impact has already been felt. Yesterday the 8th District Volunteers were toned out for an MVA w/extrication on I-84. On arrival with only 2 FF's on the engine, they called the Town Dept (career) for assistance. The scene was a car that was underneath a Semi truck with heavy entrapment and extended extrication. The town responded with 2 engines and a ladder. The Town BC took command and the majority of the extrication was done by the town firefighters. The 8th District Volunteers eventually got more people on scene along with Vernon FD. Patient was flown via Life Star to Hartford Hosp.

    While obvously there is going to be an impact from losing several active members, you should stop posting your inaccurate propaganda.

    True, the 8th District was toned out for an MVA with extrication on I-84. False, we did NOT call for mutual aid when the first engine arrived on scene with only 2 guys. Mutual aid was actually called for prior to our arrival, and only because of the reports from 911 indicated that there may have been a need for multiple tools. Also, we had a dozen members respond to that MVA, not 2. We supplied a squad, rescue, and an engine, while handeling a separate EMS call during the extrication. TMFD was called in for an additional tool and for blocking per our mutually agreed protocols.

    Also false is your statement that the TMFD battalion chief took over command, it just is not true. I suggest that you read the INFIRS report and check your facts before posting on this forum.

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    All the CT news Channels (WFSB 3, WTNH 8, FOX 61) had a report last night as well as the Journal Inquirer

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    Exclamation A concerned citizen close to district members.

    The reason I am writing this is to get the facts straight. I will not go into too much detail about the incident at hand as I feel it is just beating a dead horse, but will give alot of my opinion. The Volunteers dismissed did not do anything terrible or shameful(for the most part), Simply did as every other department has done for years in the tradition of St. Patty's day. The Department does not have any rules in their by laws or anything on paper saying that they can not drink in uniform(Drinking and St. Patty's day go hand in hand anyway, its fire and police tradition we all know this, and it should be allowed to an extent). The Firefighters involved did drink in uniform but there were no parties before hand, and no drinking during the parade at all. The main issue was that they supposidly acted rude, belligerant, gave the crowd the finger and acted in a manner that would be considered conduct un-becoming of a firefighter. None of that is true, they simply interacted with the crowd. When people yelled to them things like "GO 8th DISTRICT WOOOO!!" They gave high fives shook hands waved to kids and yelled back THANKS FOR THE SUPPORT, and other things similar to that. They got in trouble because this is "not acting like a firefighter". So what is?? Marching, looking forward and ignoring people?? NO, thats simply rude and uncalled for and shameful. People want Firefighters to wave and cheer back to them. I know people who have gotten angry because of departments including the 8th District for marching like "robots" as it was put to me, ignoring the crowd, eyes forward and no smiling. Some of the individuals in question brought life to the parade, while others in question, it was brought to my attention actually marched like robots an did nothing so why are they in trouble? With all of that said yes there were a few incidents that could be looked down upon. One member did give the finger but not to the crowd, but joking around with another Firefighter(still a risky move because you are in the public eye), and yes there were underage individuals who drank but tell me who has not had alcohol before they turned 21?? I know this doesn't excuse it but fact is most people have drank before 21, and they made a mistake but shouldn't be treated like garbage because they had some. They did not act like fools or do anything that should be considered un acceptable during the parade(only the joking with the middle finger was wrong). Its simply blown up way beyond what it should have been. I feel by getting rid of these members, the people of the 8th district are the true victims. They don't have very much active members left at all, and out of the active members left, how many are EMT's and Fire 1 certified?? The fact is volunteer FF is a dying breed...sad but true, its becoming harder and harder to find people who are willing to commit to what is almost like having another full time job in this day and age. Think about it, all of the mandatory training, responding to calls, this takes up alot of time. They just let go that many people?? They can not afford this, NO ONE CAN. They should put these rules about drinking into writing and then worry about suspending members or kicking them out. All and all its a shame what happend, and should never have even been an issue. The underage individuals should have been suspended for their actions and given a chance to make up for their mistakes, we all make mistakes. As a citizen and friend of many FF's, I support these individuals, as should all of you so called "brothers".

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    MFDco3cgr is implying that underage drinking is acceptable if only one person was truly acting inappropriately. Out of the eight members who were disciplined, four were underage. According to the department SOGs, "All members are expected to comply with Connecticut State laws pertaining to the possession and consumption of alcoholic beverages." Also in the SOGs, "At all times, when in a situation that identifies you as a member of the Manchester Fire Department, you shall conduct yourself in a manner so as to reflect favorably on the Manchester Fire Department and in accordance with your responsibilities as a firefighter whether on or off duty."

    Violations of these SOGs, in addition to avoiding taking responsibility for their actions when confronted by chief officers of the department, are the reasons why seven members were dismissed from the department.

    As pertaining to the comments on the I-84 crash: mutual aid was called based on reports from 911 suggesting a possibly complicated and prolonged extrication. Also, due to our mutual aid agreement, an engine from TMFD should be requested for blocking purposes. In response to the comment that only two Eighth District firefighters were on scene - this is simply not true. In fact, there were six members on scene within the first few minutes of the call. Two on the first arriving piece (same as TMFD Engine #5, which was the first due mutual aid piece) and two on each additional arriving apparatus. The Eighth District also handled a separate EMS call during this call.

    Are we going to be affected by the dismissal of these members? Absolutely, and I'm confident that the dedicated members will work a bit harder to continue to provide outstanding service to our residents. However, please post accurate information. We did not have only two members on scene and "the impact" was definetly not felt on that call. Please post accurate infomation if you plan to criticize our department. We will continue to respond to every alarm and if needed we are not too proud to ask for mutual aid. In reality, the volunteers from the Eighth District respond mutual aid to the paid TMFD quite frequently, and we are happy to provide that assistance as we hope they feel the same about us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFDHoseCo3CGR View Post
    .... I know a paid Fire department would.
    Somehow, I think that last statement has more to do with this than what actually happened.

    It certainly appears there is discord/contempt between the vols and the paid department......again.
    "This thread is being closed as it is off-topic and not related to the fire industry." - Isn't that what the Off Duty forum was for?

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    I agree with you Bones !! A 24 year kid talking like he's been on the job for 30 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mycareer View Post
    Apparently the dismissed members were very active in the dept. These dismissals may have an impact on an already busy dept. Nothing in the press so far. Info to follow as it develops
    If it is such a busy organization, perhaps they should consider full time staffing. As for the allegations, hopefully they received due process prior to their dismissal.

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    Perhaps mycareer should tread lightly since his bosses son was one of the members that was dismissed!

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