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    Quote Originally Posted by FFFRED View Post
    Not that I want to put a damper on this discussion because honestly it is pretty amusing...but in 2007 we averaged just over 8.6 jobs a day 2006 was 8.8 and 2005 was over 9. Recent history has us averaging anywhere between 8-12 jobs a day. At one time(war years) the average was approaching 20 a day.

    That isn't taking away from Chicagos work...but they are less than half our size...if they are doing more work than us...that city is pretty bad off. Detroit might be doing similar work with a fraction of either Dept....now that is something to boast about.

    Back to your Buff-off.

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    The number of structure fires (residential, commercial and industrial)) in Detroit averages between 50-60 a day in the city. Very few fire companies have less than at minimum 2-3 workers (structures) a day. There are entire neighborhoods that have burned down in many areas. Last year they had a total of close to 20,000 structure fires.

    Detroit at present has a population of a little over 900,000 with 66 fire companies. 39 Engines, 18 Ladder Trucks, 3 Platforms and 6 heavy rescues. At present they are closing 6-9 of these comapnies a day (Engines & Ladder Trucks) because of staffing shortages. The city also wants to close 10 companies permanently or cut staffing on the apparatus from 4 to 3. The union and the city are battling it out in court now as a safety issue They may not be as big as they once were but they do get a lot of fires under their belts.

    This doesn't even count the MVA's, Haz-Mats, specialized rescues and B.S. runs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireLt1951 View Post
    Actually Detroit EMS only has 28 BLS and ALS (can be lower at certain times of the day) to cover 139 sq. miles and run around 140,000 runs a year. Their burn out rate is astronomical. I even know more than a few medics who wear bullet proof vests, they do a good job at stopping knifes.

    I knew it was less than 40.

    The burnout rate is very high like you were saying. But to get hired there, at least when i applied, is hard. They don't take into account your skill level or years in EMS. Or at least that is how it aopeared to me. I have 8 years fire and EMS and wanted to experience a little city action. I applied and never heard from them. They never even returned my phone calls. Unfortunatly, I don't think i was in the demographic they were looking to hire from. Damn my balls and pasty white skin. LOL

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    Wow,
    What an Anorak-Fest!!!!

    There are lots of arguments as far as sizes of Depts go.. I have had the Australian discussion with a number of Australian colleagues and I still standby the argument that CFS and othr Large Australian organisations are regional Departments with lots of smaller Fire brigades therin...so not a large singualr Fire Department.... I don't know... I think it depsends how you look at it.

    I also think talking about International issues on this forum is a waste of time anyway because all interest tends to end right at the US shoreline!!!!

    But for my Money, it goes like this...
    1. Tokyo Fire Dept, Tokyo, Japan (Fire & EMS)
    2. FDNY, NY, USA (Fire & EMS)
    3. LFB, London UK (Fire)
    4. Paris Fire Brigade, Paris, France (Fire, EMS & Ambulance)

    It could therefore be argued that LFB is the largest in pure Fire Dept terms because although we only have 7000 personnel on 113 Stations...that is all fire & Rescue work with not a single EMS duty within the 300,000 calls... If we took on the personnel and resources of the London Ambulance Service we'd be up over 10,000 personnel with about 190 Stations. and 1.8 Million calls...


    Enjoy your p1ssing contest... I have fires to go to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveDude View Post
    Wow,


    Enjoy your p1ssing contest... I have fires to go to.
    Geee Steve, what else do we have to do?
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    According to the previous 98 posts, quite a lot going on.... Someone in among all of this must have ****ed so high they went right over the roof!!!!!
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    I thought Bou was bad with his Hard on for LAFD but damn, someone here must make out to pictures of CalFire on his wall every morning. I bet the crotch of the working firefighter on the poster has been worn out from too many good morning kisses
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveDude View Post
    According to the previous 98 posts, quite a lot going on.... Someone in among all of this must have ****ed so high they went right over the roof!!!!!
    Actually Steve, I centered it on the dormer window.

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    WFD MUST work for Kentland... the stats speak for themselves...

    Kentland (The one and only)
    FDNY (under contract from Kentland)
    Chicago (Kentland-by-the-lake)
    L.A. (The sunnier side of Kentland)
    Houston (Lone Star Kentland)
    Philadelphia (Home of the Kentland Bell)

    It all makes sense now!

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    I'll say it again. Californian's are so impressed with themselves. It might almost be as bad as Kentland. Almost. The rest of us are just amatuers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireLt1951 View Post
    Actually Steve, I centered it on the dormer window.
    I take my hat off to your fantastic aim my friend!!!
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    G'day Steve, it's been a while, have you been on holiday or just too busy to post? Notice how nothing has changed after your post here? The ****ing goes on! I've tried in my posts to point out that it's all a wank, statistics can be made to say just what you want them to say. Totally irrelevant! I'm just curious now to see how long this keeps going...

    But Steve. My 'department', the CFA, has one Chief Fire Officer for the whole State, is centrally funded, has vehicle type and issue controlled by the Head Shed, has centrally controlled training, and is dispatched State wide by one organisation (with two centres). The only thing handled by the local Brigade (Station really) is the taking on of members. Doesn't that make us one Fire Service? As you say though, it all depends on how you look at it. And is also sadly lacking in anything other than curiosity value!
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    I see what you are saying Bruv,
    But with the UK having a Chief Fire & Rescue adviser and us all following National standards, although some of our budget is taken from local taxes we are also centrally funded... it could be argued that the whole of the UK is a single Fire Service.

    However, I'd not like to be lumped in with those in 'Outer Nowhereshire'... I am a Big City London Fireman and proud of it....maybe they'd love to be part of us, I won't recipricate though!!!!

    The UK Fire service will probably be regionalised in the next couple of decades. Although we are already vastly efficient compared to thousands and thousands of small town FD's our Control and despatch centres are being regionalised, then you can bet a pound to a pinch of sh1t the Brigades will follow. Thankfully LFB has been recognised as a region in its own right so no change for us.

    Personally I think it works fantastically at a City County level...we are efficient in the UK...the figures state how much Ops work we do with so few people and how low our Civilian and personnel losses are. I can see that changing for the worse if we regionalise?

    Why I haven't been around..... You answered the question for me mate....Too much bullsh1t and arguing on here mate. You post a story.... it doesn't fall within the USA, generally it gets ignored (Have a look at my plane crash in London story yesterday).

    The ignorance also tires me....how many times have we read some kid from a one station Volly deal in upstate fcuknowswhere, adding to a thread that "Any of them thar firemen from other countrees are all cowards coz they are not from da USA, and them thar boys only done go putting water thru the windows cuz only us good ol boys go inside yonder fire building... I fight what you fear Y'all... BTW, I just gotta go hold my 'Leather' over Pa's bonfire so I can git some crust on it coz I ain't seen a structure fire in ma life"

    I've been arond this job too long and seen a lot more that all but a few people on here to put up with that level of ignorance.... You will find me over on IACOJ...don't expect and answer to this one.

    Au Revior.
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    Double Post... Sorry
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveDude View Post
    Wow,



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    Quote Originally Posted by MassFireGuy View Post
    I'll say it again. Californian's are so impressed with themselves. It might almost be as bad as Kentland. Almost. The rest of us are just amatuers.
    WTF, did anywhere in this thread that California is better than the rest? Sounds like you have an inferior attitude towards California.

    Troll A**...............
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    Quote Originally Posted by engineer2000 View Post
    WTF, did anywhere in this thread that California is better than the rest? Sounds like you have an inferior attitude towards California.

    Troll A**...............

    Naw, their just angry that CA agencies pay better and have better benefits than their agencies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by LAfirephoto View Post
    Naw, their just angry that CA agencies pay better and have better benefits than their agencies...
    If you want to call 56 hour work weeks "better" than 40...then yes your benefits are 16 hours "better" than ours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by engineer2000 View Post
    WTF, did anywhere in this thread that California is better than the rest? Sounds like you have an inferior attitude towards California.

    Troll A**...............

    Yeah, I'm troll. Good job. Maybe you should read this thread again. Then, again, you're bias because you are from the Great State.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MassFireGuy View Post
    Yeah, I'm troll. Good job.

    Thank you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FFFRED View Post
    If you want to call 56 hour work weeks "better" D

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    Working 8-9 days a month. Is kinda sweet!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FFFRED View Post
    If you want to call 56 hour work weeks "better" than 40...then yes your benefits are 16 hours "better" than ours.

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    Los Angeles County firefighter trainees earn $3,800.88 per month. Firefighters earn from $3,788.55 to $5,242 per month. Firefighter specialists earn from $5,602.09 to $6,244.55 per month. Fire captains earn from $7,700 to $8,100.

    Actually, and the LAFD and LACoFD, it is not uncommon for the average, non-paramedic firefighter to make more than 100K a year. And yes, when working 56 hour weeks (comes out to about 10, 24 hour shifts) it allows you to work plenty of OT. In LA County, you can work an average of 5 OT days a month. Total allowed per year is 60 days of OT. After you do the math it comes to about 107K a year while only working 15 days a month.

    The numbers above are not factoring in percentage bonuses. Paramedic (18%), Haz-Mat, USAR, second language, air operations, special assignment, etc, etc, etc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by localtrainer75 View Post
    Benny Hill...Fantastic...and a great Parody of LFB back in the day....Drinking & Women.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LAfirephoto View Post
    Los Angeles County firefighter trainees earn $3,800.88 per month. Firefighters earn from $3,788.55 to $5,242 per month. Firefighter specialists earn from $5,602.09 to $6,244.55 per month. Fire captains earn from $7,700 to $8,100.

    Actually, and the LAFD and LACoFD, it is not uncommon for the average, non-paramedic firefighter to make more than 100K a year. And yes, when working 56 hour weeks (comes out to about 10, 24 hour shifts) it allows you to work plenty of OT. In LA County, you can work an average of 5 OT days a month. Total allowed per year is 60 days of OT. After you do the math it comes to about 107K a year while only working 15 days a month.

    The numbers above are not factoring in percentage bonuses. Paramedic (18%), Haz-Mat, USAR, second language, air operations, special assignment, etc, etc, etc...
    You are proving my point. Thanks... Let me ask you, how much does it cost to live out there? Could it be that's why you make more? Hmmm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by engineer2000 View Post
    Working 8-9 days a month. Is kinda sweet!
    I don't work 56 hour work weeks, and I work the same amount of days. Next.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MassFireGuy View Post
    I don't work 56 hour work weeks, and I work the same amount of days. Next.
    Not for pay, next...........

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