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    Just got DJ'd for an extinguisher simulator and a smoke and CO detector program. I'm already tweaking the narrative for next year!

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    This was just the first wave of denials, plenty still in the game. Looks like the first round of SAFER DJs are out too.

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    I also just found our FP DJ. It only showed up on the Status page from DHS/AFG. No e-mail to the contact site listed on the application.

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    Unhappy Fp Dj

    Just received DJ for both of my departments one of extinguisher trainer and one for Kovenex kitchen blankets. I will have to try that again!!

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    Well we win some we lose some folks. Over $334 million requested this year and only about $25 million to give away. More money available this coming year though so chin up.
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    Default How many DJ rounds should we expect?

    O.K. No FPS DJ today. Whew! I feel badly for those who received letters today. I know how that feels and it is not very satisfying. I was DJ'd for my AFG in 2007. At least they are putting more FPS money into the system for next year.

    Does anyone have an idea about how many DJ rounds we should expect for FPS this year? I realize it may be impossible to know for sure but an educated guess might be helpful.

    With all the focus on AFG and the looming opening of CEDAP I have not thought much about the FPS situation. Today's news came as a surprise. Now it is firmly back on the radar and I will be checking regularly.

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    We received the 1099 update and the 10 questions. About 2 months ago I received a call from the grant office asking a few questions about a BullEx system I had written into my grant along with a CO detector program. They basically wanted me to confirm my target audience which I did. All they really asked was for me to confirm my target audience, which I had stated in the grant...but whatever. Anyway I got the 10 questions today stating that the prop had been removed from my grant application and asking me if I would accept the grant without it. The remainder of my grant is a CO detector program, which I will take of course, but it seems strange that they would remove half my program, especially after asking me questions about it.....which I did answer correctly. Has anyone ever had success arguing to get something back or is it a done deal when they remove something? Again I am happy with what they are giving me....but it seems they have a real bias towards props.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wtfd2940 View Post
    We received the 1099 update and the 10 questions. About 2 months ago I received a call from the grant office asking a few questions about a BullEx system I had written into my grant along with a CO detector program. They basically wanted me to confirm my target audience which I did. All they really asked was for me to confirm my target audience, which I had stated in the grant...but whatever. Anyway I got the 10 questions today stating that the prop had been removed from my grant application and asking me if I would accept the grant without it. The remainder of my grant is a CO detector program, which I will take of course, but it seems strange that they would remove half my program, especially after asking me questions about it.....which I did answer correctly. Has anyone ever had success arguing to get something back or is it a done deal when they remove something? Again I am happy with what they are giving me....but it seems they have a real bias towards props.
    So how did you answer their question about your target audience?
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    Haven't had a problem with any type of project that I know of, got a few of those BullEx systems this year along with other sorts of props. Just has to be backed up like the rest, so they must not have found a basis in your answer somewhere. Which is odd, but kinda late to get things back after they pull. Might want to wander out here when they ask the questions, those of us that have had those situations and saved the stuff might have been able to help out.

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    Yea I am quite interested to know what his response was to their question. My guess is he probably answered outside the target groups. When he gets back to us maybe we can keep him from making the same mistake agin next year. I don't hink he would have a prayer at getting it back into his grant now.
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    The question was regarding the target group for the prop. Basically I wrote in the grant that one of the many target groups would be our high school. I specifically wrote that in that target group the only population targeted would be those who were adults....over 18, and/or the staff. The question they asked me was to confirm that it would be directed towards those over 18, which it specifically stated in the guidance and was what I specifically stated in my grant. The other question they asked was if we would be installing the CO detectors, which I stated in the affirmative. My answer to the question and what I wrote was keeping with the guidance and my application. I answered the 10 questions stating that I would take the grant without it, but would it do me any good at all to follow up with another email asking why, after I had discussed the above mentioned question with the staff and answered it within the guidance, it was pulled?
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    Well, weird **** happens.

    In the SAFER Guidance, applicants requesting programs for physicals received higher consideration, although most of the ones I know who did that this year had physicals removed by the office. ("Not fundable.")

    Sometimes, only the Staff knows the reasoning.

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    If that was the only target group you mentioned in the reply then that may have been why, especially if that was a smaller number. Sounds like they misunderstood all of the target groups you'd be presenting too. Might be worth a follow up, nothing is official until it's awarded.

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    Has anyone got a BullEx training system in this years FPS grants?? Sorry see answer above......
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    Quote Originally Posted by wtfd2940 View Post
    The question was regarding the target group for the prop. Basically I wrote in the grant that one of the many target groups would be our high school. I specifically wrote that in that target group the only population targeted would be those who were adults....over 18, and/or the staff. The question they asked me was to confirm that it would be directed towards those over 18, which it specifically stated in the guidance and was what I specifically stated in my grant. The other question they asked was if we would be installing the CO detectors, which I stated in the affirmative. My answer to the question and what I wrote was keeping with the guidance and my application. I answered the 10 questions stating that I would take the grant without it, but would it do me any good at all to follow up with another email asking why, after I had discussed the above mentioned question with the staff and answered it within the guidance, it was pulled?

    You need to go back and read the guidance agian as you have your age grouping wrong guy. The two high risk target groups are:

    Children 14 yoa and under and adults over 65 yoa. I think that is why they removed it as it was not specifically addressing those two groups.
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    No, I mentioned those groups as well, but those below 18 aren't usually included in educational props such as fire extinguisher training. To quote the guidance " Please note that projects that deliver training to the public in the area of automatic external defibrillators (AED), Cardio-Pulmonary resuscitation (CPR) or age-appropriate fire extinguishers training equipment will be considered." The words age-appropriate are key with the fire extinguisher prop and I included that exact language in my application. There question to me was if the age-appropriate individuals were adults....which i replied yes.....which I had also previously stated. I know of no department who does training with anyone younger than 18 when it comes to fire extinguisher training. I emailed my contact and tried to claify my points with her. We will see what happens.

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    I was referencing the statement according to your previous post which seemed to state that your target group was pretty small in that high school:

    "Basically I wrote in the grant that one of the many target groups would be our high school. I specifically wrote that in that target group the only population targeted would be those who were adults....over 18, and/or the staff."


    My first thought and probably that of a PR would have been how many 18 year olds or older, are still in that one high school group? I would fathom a guess that it would be relatively small, hence not targeting very many at all vs the cost of the system. You may also have not been comprehensive enough in the actual training process ie; # of classes, # of times presented, who was presenting etc. and or you might not have presented a plausible evaluation noting the "impact" the training would have and how it would be measured. That is always something very hard to do with fire extinguisher training as the training may not be actually employed by the student for many years in the future.

    Now it might also be that as compared to a grant which was specifically targeting the two "specified" high risk" groups you may simply fell victim to too many requests, not enough money. Kind of hard to render an opinion on why, without having all of the dynamics of the whole program present and the statisticals to gauge it against.
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    Two of the ones I did took it down to 16 with parental permission for the live fire ones, and I think we went younger than that on the laser driven ones. Since 16 year olds can do the car fire live-fire drills no reason that they can't get involved in extinguisher training, same controlled environment and probably less chance of injury since they aren't getting as close to it even without PPE on. If we let them drive a car, dang well ought to know how to run an extinguisher.

    I'd check with your contact about where the question came from too. If DHS is asking on their own, sounds like someone is 2nd guessing Peer, but if Peer asked the question and recommended the system be pulled then your argument wasn't convincing enough to them. In the latter case not much of a chance to argue since that means the scores weren't there to support it. If DHS is pulling it then you have a chance of making sure your answers were fully understood and if it was pulled because they weren't then it could be put back. Do it by phone if possible, email is a tough medium to plead cases through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ktb9780 View Post
    You need to go back and read the guidance agian as you have your age grouping wrong guy. The two high risk target groups are:

    Children 14 yoa and under and adults over 65 yoa. I think that is why they removed it as it was not specifically addressing those two groups.
    I wrote for the laser/LCD system this year with a target audience of senior citizens, school teachers and every 7th grader in our two county area. Still got denied on the "not the right targed audience" tag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firechief47 View Post
    I wrote for the laser/LCD system this year with a target audience of senior citizens, school teachers and every 7th grader in our two county area. Still got denied on the "not the right targed audience" tag.

    Ben
    Not to sure here but, I think they nailed you on the "School Teachers" Ben. How many of them were 65 or over and my guess was that the way the program was presented to PR it indicated that the majority of the training was going to those school teachers.
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